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trams
I wasted years sat in a car trying to get in and out of Nottingham
to work, as the traffic got steadily worse. My solution? I bought
a scooter. No more wasted time. Don't sit there waiting for the public
transport to improve, work it out for yourself!
Paul
Nottingham |
trams
Well I am for the Tram system. However I am very angry at the council
for not providing additional services for commuters who need to get
around Nottingham in order to make a living. I am dismayed at Trent
buses for not supplying extra buses. Excuse too much money to run!
whilst of course i have to wait yet anothet 30 mins for a bus which
has space for me to stand in! I often get refused entry to buses due
to over crowding. Given the extensive research that Nottingham City
council has paid for at the expense of the local taxpayers, are they
saying that they honesly did not expect this kind of chaos. To be
honest this just send home one message to me. That they simply do
not give a toss about people who have to work 8 hours a day, then
struggle to get home 6 miles away, a journey which takes 2 hours,
then feed the kids, clean up etc, come 10 oclock at night i can finally
get some sicial time! Although i told myself that i would never own
a car again after what this goverment did to motorists i feel i have
lost this mini war with the so called politicians. I will simply have
to but one! thus adding to the pollution. Pathetic!
martin
nottm |
Emergency
services affected by gridlock
Hi, Over the past few nights on my way home I have seen a fire engine
stuck in the traffic around woolaton street and an ambulance. I think
this is a disgrace. There should be police on hand to organise this
fiasco. Also it takes me 40 minutes to get from Talbot st to Canning
Circus around the maid marian way island at night. What sort of a
planning department does this city Have? They are trying to do too
much at once and endangering peoples lives by not making adequate
arrangements for essential services. The police will need to be on
hand to sort out possible incidents of road rage as I see many people
getting very agitated as I sit in the traffic. Why has this fiasco
been so badly organised and what do the authorities intend to do to
put it right.
Anon |
Getting
in and out
Well done to Nottingham City council for having the hindsight not
to do anything about commuters issues in Nottingham. Great lets build
a tram system! however your complete lack of consideration towards
commuters has been unbelievable. I like many others catch a bus from
Bingham to Nottingham, this costs me about 15拢 a week, roughly the
same as a car would, however i consider myself to be forward thinking
in the fact that owning a car just adds to the city's traffic problems.
However now that i have witnessed the farce and the waiting for busses
that never turn up, busses that are to full to take any more,busses
that simply do not turn up without explanation! and when i do get
on one i have to stand right at the front window next to the driver,
something which i believe is very dangerous! So i have deceided that
pollution is the way forward. Screw your enviroment bullshit! i am!
v! ery close to loosing my job due to the fact that i can not get
to work on time! Who's going to pay the council tax then! Screw the
City council!
matin
Nottingham |
Fair enough! Tram are suppose to be more effective as to clean up
the pollution. But Alas the add the pollution of electric overhead
cabling hence spoiling the sight of our city.... As of the Nottingham
City Transport running the Tram, I am sure they will have same problem
as the bus service. I don't see the point of having tram in Nottingham.
Marcus Collins
Nottingham |
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Opposed to Route (CW)
Or the People who oppose the Tram for whatever reason This web sit
is set up by people of Compton Acres and Wilford Our Web site is:
(Worth a Visit)
Regards
John B Fisher
Wilford Noeeingham |
I live in Bulwell myself and my husband have walked by the river lean
for years now, had many a happy hour walking the dog, we have seen
it grow from nothing, but it his like a little bit of countryside
on our own backdoor. now we are to understand they are going to pull
some off the trees down. or have we read the plans wrong I hope you
can put me right has I should hate to see it all pulled to bits.
shirley
Bulwell, Nottingham |
neighbours
opposed to trams
Can anyone give me the website address for the neighbours against
the tram for the compton acres / wilford route for clifton
alan
nottingham |
Has anyone noticed how the city council is pushing for the tram system
to be in place all over the district and people forced from their
cars by humps, bumps, on street parking charges, bus/tram only lanes
and other draconian measures such as the parking levy ?. Who owns
the city transport company ? Yes, you've guessed it - the city council.
A conspiracy under our noses - this conflict of interests should be
stopped.
bert fegg
notts |
Tram
The tram?!! What a waste of money, we should use the money instead
to make 10 lane motorways into the city, turn the Market Square into
a 15 level car park, Wollaton Park into an out-of-town shopping complex,
this is what shoppers want!!! They don't want to pay for parking,
or have to mingle with other people (possibly of a lower income than
themselves!)on public transport, goodness me, Nottingham would be
a far nicer place to visit with easy, free parking and lots more shops.
Oh wouldn't people flock to visit this fine city of smog and concrete.
Mmmm, what a superb forward looking idea I have mustered up. Aren't
I intelligent? Durrrrrrr.
Tom
Lancashire |
A Fine or Fares policy
Is it right that a goverment or local government authority can legislate
against other forms of transport to the advantage of the transport
systems that they own?
Colin
Nottingham |
Here are our Croydon Tramlink experiences. We would like to pass
on our experiences of some of the pitfalls - so that maybe Nottingham
can escape the problems. It's largely a story of a good transportation
idea ruined by gross lack of attention to construction-design detail,
combined with a thorough contempt for the customers shown by the operators:-
1. There were a lot of hard feelings during the design phase because
people with genuine environmental concerns (for example wholesale
demolition of established avenues of trees) were high-handedly dismissed
as "nimbies",
2. The construction was undertaken with complete contempt for the
residents of Croydon and the local traders. Most of the new tram lines
are on disused BR tracks, so these could have been completed first
- with the centre of Croydon worked on last, in round-the-clock shifts
at the end of construction so that public disruption was minimised.
However, they dug up the whole of the centre of Croydon *first*, then
left it like World War I battlefields with 10-foot deep trenches everywhere,
largely untouched for months on end. This meant that most of the shoppers
deserted Croydon and went to Bromley and Sutton instead, so that many
small shops laid off staff or even went out of business.
3. When it was complete, they ran the trams around empty for 6 months
(Nov'99 - May'00) like a private Council train-set - with no concern
that the extra length of the trams cut off bus-lanes at junctions,
so that queues of 4 or 5 buses full of angry commuters were being
detained within eyesight of East Croydon station for considerable
periods of time, when the empty tram was held stationary at junctions
for no apparent reason. Bus drivers were not allowed to let their
passengers get off, away from the registered bus-stops.
4. Ventilation in the trams is non-existent apart from a few little
high-level hinged windows in the centre sections of the tram. There
is no air-conditioning fitted and the forced-air system is usually
not operational. Any busy journey taken after rain or during sunshine
is like a smelly sauna.
5. The unprotected passenger-driver intercom buttons are placed next
to the doors at exactly the same height as an adult's shoulder, exactly
where one would expect to lean - so most journeys are plagued by false
alarms where the driver wants to know who pressed the intercom button.
Also. the door-closing protection light-beams are fitted about 6 inches
further inside the tram than the doors, so that the driver has to
keep telling passengers to stand well back inside the trams before
he can shut the doors.
6. The tram stops are all at least a mile apart outside of central
Croydon, in contrast to the old bus stops which were every few hundred
yards apart through densely populated areas. Since all the competitive
bus routes were cancelled to force people onto the trams, people who
can't easily travel half a mile on foot to the nearest tram stop (such
as pensioners and the disabled) are now left without public transport.
7.The "Tramlink" shop where people can seek advice is manned by smiling
juniors who know absolutely NOTHING about the system except how to
hand out a route brochure. The Tramtrack head office has never been
known to even as much as acknowledge a letter from anyone without
having been previously leant on by a local MP or the "London Transport
Users Committee" complaints board.
8. [*** This point may have been addressed by the new timetable started
12 August ***] The off-peak timetables seem to have been specifically
constructed to make commuters miss British Rail connections by 30
seconds. For example, if you are one of the 90% travelling into London
Bridge at about 6-7am you have to wait 19 minutes on East Croydon
platforms for the next 3 per hour Connex service to arrive. Likewise,
the No. 1 tram leaves Elmers End at the same instant that the evening
London Bridge to Hayes express train stops at the British Rail platform,
so you have to wait 14 or 29 minutes for the next No. 1 tram (or walk
a mile to the next station (Arena) to perhaps get the No. 2 tram from
the Beckenham line a bit earlier).
9. The tram drivers frequently shut the doors in the faces of hurrying
people who are then forced to wait 14 or even 29 minutes for their
next connection to arrive. For example, a No. 1 tram to Wimbledon
is often waiting at a tram platform at East Croydon when a No. 3 tram
going in the same direction (but round the Croydon loop) pulls in
at the adjacent opposing platform. Instead of waiting for 30 seconds
so that passengers can walk across the 10 foot wide platform to interchange
between the two services, the No. 1 driver shuts the doors at the
same instant that the No. 3 doors are opening and drives off - which
means that the No. 3 passengers who wanted to go to Wimbledon have
to wait 14 or 29 minutes for the next No. 1 tram to arrive.
10. There are a number of very sharp corners in the system where the
trams make an absolutely appalling noise as they go round, audible
at over half a mile away across the local park (Lloyd Park). Since
the pot-oiler greasing equipment has STILL not been fitted after 15
months, there are near-neighbours of mine whose cutlery still rattles
on the dining table every time a tram goes by. When they got the council
to come round to measure the noise, the noise measuring man admitted
that the council had informed the tram company that they were to be
measuring the sound levels - so the trams were creeping round the
corners at 5-10kph when the microphone tripod was erected, but straight
back to their normal 20-25kph as soon as the tripod was dismantled.
11. The modular tram stop shelters are often assembled so that the
advertising hoardings obscure the view of the destination display
and arriving trams if you are sitting inside the shelter. Since trams
are request-stopped, you have to stand outside in the rain to make
sure that the tram doesn't sail past before you can jump up and flag
it down, since the arriving tram is obscured by the advertising hoardings
until it is well onto the platform. If they had spent more than half
a second's thought over which was the best way round to assemble the
modular shelters, these inconveniences would not have arisen in the
first place.
12. The trams are expensive imports from Austria which had to be delivered
on the back of lorries, as Railtrack would not let them travel on
their tracks. Surely they could have been built by one of the BR maintenance
works in this country - helping the balance of payments and employment
in this country?
Ron
Croydon, Surrey, UK |
Tram
I think that the tram is a stupid idea
1) because it goes right behind my house near Bulwell
2) it will put the bus transport out of buisness
anonymous
Cinderhill in Nottingham
and in reply...
Just to point
out to the anonymous resident of Cinderhill that the tram will not
put buses out of business because the tram is going to be operated
by Nottingham City Transport. Moreover, when the tram commences, buses
will be revised to connect with the tram to provide through links.
Anthony
Nottingham |
stop the
tram
How many roads in Nottingham have been stopped to traffic this summer?
Colin Bunn
Nottingham
and in reply...
For all the details on the disruption on the trams visit our trams
update section.
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Greetings from Prague. First of all, please apologize my poor English.
But this is very interesting topic for me. I am a student of the Czech
technical university, faculty of transportation and I am writing right
now my work for the last state guaranteed exams. This work is about
trams in the center of Prague and this is the reason why it was a
very nice surprise for me to find this web site with this discusion.
We have right now here in Czech republic nearly the same problem.
In Prague we have the tram traffic more than 110 years, but the communist
party cuted down very important parts of the network in the centre
of the city. It was after the year 1974, when Prague underground started
to operate. In that time everyone said that metro is enough for the
people in center. But the last years are in Prague like a bad dream.
After the velvet revolution (1989) the modal split between town traffic
and individual cars changed from 80% people going by town traffic
and 20% by cars to 40% by TT and 60% by car. The streets without trams
were killed. There is no normal town life, only expensive shops for
tourists (nothing against them) and then in the evenings criminality.
People don't want to live in the center and they are mooving away.
Lot of problems have also Prague town traffic company. They haven't
a substitution for some tram lines arround centre and also for metro,
when this parts of network have some problems. It isnt'n a problem
to tavel to the center from the surroundings od Prague, but it is
a great problem to travel arround the center. Roads are ussualy filled
by cars (1 car per 1,8 person) and nobody want to go down to the undeground
station, wait there and then travel only one or two stations. The
same time takes ussualy to go on foot and you mustn't pay. In English
is very complicated for me to describe what I mean. I have't so large
dictionary in my head to speak on the highest level. In my work it
is in Czech a text for more tha 60 pages. But the most important thing
is, that trams ussualy formated the face of city. It is the very famous
sentence from the books about urbanism. In Switzerland you are sometimes
in the street in the center and you are thinking something about the
dream. It isn't neccesary to built a dream tram lines, but many cities
arround Europe know that tram is the victory in the fight against
polution from cars. So, nice and modern tram network is for Nottingham
a victory, not wasting of money. And just one more sentence. I think
that not far from you city is a very nice tram museum. I have at home
some prospect. It is probably in Crich and I hope I will have in just
a few years enough money to visit it.
Martin Šubrt
Prague, Czech republic |
trams
Trams are tops, anyone getting new lines should be so happy they could
faint.
Dan |
Greeting
from Vienna, where trams have been in service for a very long time.
you should all be glad to benefit from this silent and very fast service,
and believe me, trams do not get stuck by obstacles very often :o)
Wolfgang Schwarz
Vienna, Austria |
I
think the Tram line should be extended from the centre to the City
Ground to cater for the Forest fans. No need to cater for the Notts
fans, they're a minority.
Phil Marshall
Moscow at the height of Stalinism |
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I can understand
people being in favour of electric transport in cities because of
the lackof fumes and noise . But I can't understand why the vehicles
have to be trackbased ,as they are little more than trains which
run through areas where pedistrians will be must found . We normally
keep pedistrians off the tracks , and this was the one of the reasons
why trams were removed from British cities , which never had the
wide roads of "tram cities".
The more flexible and safer electric transport was and is the trolley
bus which requires
1)No track system
2)Uses lighter vehicles
3)Has the ability to get round obstructions
4)Has a much simplier servicing requirement than the tram
5)Maintaince of track is vastly cheaper
6)does not require special trffic control systems
7)can be quickly installed for little capital cost compared to the
tram
8)becauce the trolley bus runs on rubber tyres it has a much shorter
stopping distance than the tram
9)Becauce the trolley bus is lighter per passenger carried than
the tram , energy costs are much less.
10)new trolley route can be put into new areas as cities grow and
the passengers usage changes .Trams are inflexible.
Graham Frost
Hastings East Sussex
In reply
Nottm. Transport Past , Present & Future
In reply to Graham Frost of Hastings, I can only suspect that we
have a sometime Nottinghamiam man here. Graham seems to know something
of our area and certainly shows his feelings. I like the way you
write Graham. Of course those Trolley Buses were the best thing
since the invention of the wheel, (and sliced bread !) Those Trolley
Buses were all you say. Quiet & warm. The power torque was ten times
the punch of current buses. The way they went up Derby Road with
a full standing group of passengers was amazing. The only small
defect was the overhead connection. Sometimes the pole came detached
from the power line, but I am told this problem is resolved,by some
attachment. At peak times, the number of buses would be increased
on certain routes and returned to depot at "slack" times, so there
was very good control. The buses had both upstaire and downsta!
ir! s seating plus sufficient standing room. They were very,very
comfortable, and mainly right on time. So, why revert to a fixed
tramline, with a 33 metre(100ft) long transporter stuck in the middle
of the road, and don't try and convince me that they will mainly
be more than half full of commuters. Everyone complained about the
13 metre (40 foot) articulated Goods trailer being used throughout
our cities,delivering vital supplies for consumers ! I point out
here that a fixed rail electric tram was kicked-out as obsolete
some 70 yrs ago, and a wonderful new electric Trolley Bus system
was introduced that was regarded as......IT ! And it was all they
said about it. But this didn't last did it, a noisy,polluting, naturally
asperated deisel engined single, and double decker bus was introduced,due
to it's flexibility. Polluted Air,Global warming,Cancer-producing
fumes and such-like fears have now brought about "new" thoughts
about our environment. Yes ! we are told, we are to have an electric
tram that runs on fixed rails and with no pollution (funny ! where
have I heard that phrase before ?) Oh, and it's not going to cost
the citizens anything, because the cost is being met from outside
sources, (as with the Millenium Dome ?) But it is too late to cancel
a fully operational transportation system at this time. The rails
are already down on the north side, bridges are made, and the commitment
made. The stable door is wide open and the horse gone !! What we
can do now, and there is sufficient voice,is to ensure that the
best routes are tendered by the residential areas concerned and
made known to the d! ev! elopers. The concern of the residents in
my own area is the best and most economical route for the CW (Clifton/Wilford).
The many posting about this route are in these columns already.
It is our considered opinion that the route along Queens Drive,
is without doubt, the most sensible option available.
John Brewer
Nottingham
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In the 1960s
there were tram tracks all the way through Nottingham. But they
were ripped up because 'the future was roads and buses'. Now they
are spending thousands of pounds on building new tracks which is
already causing havoc in the centre of town and won't be completely
finished for years. Many people who have seen it start will not
see it completed. However, in other towns I have been to, the tram
system has really cut down traffic and pollution.
Lucy Ayre
Nottingham, England
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One of the
proposed routes for the trams literally runs within metres to the
side of my house - deep joy from 6.00am till around midnight every
five to ten minutes - not very noisy apparently but then again not
totally silent with a nice little warning bell every so often.
Samantha
Compton Acres West Bridgford
and in reply...
Thank you Sam, (Compton Acres, West Bridgford, i know how you feel,
as I live in Hucknall, metres from the tram line. I dont see the
point in having it in Hucknall as there is already a train line.
This has blown my mind completey! Name - Foz Location - Nottm
Foz
Nottm
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I live in Bramcote
in Nottingham, and all the people I know were looking forward to
hicking a lift on a tram into Nottingham Centre. But guess what?
The tram comes no-where near us, only through Hucknall, so our high
hopes were doused and we are all terribly dissapointed that the
bus or car is our only transport into Nottingham! If you want to
hype up the residents of Nottingham, make the tram worthwhile for
everyone!
J. Hill
Nottingham
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I am not from
your part of the country, but I think this is a good idea and i
must say that thgis works in Croydon and has made a difference.
Whta people fail to realise is what about physically disabled people.
Unfortuantely I am one of them who has to drive everywhere and i
am an Orange badge holder. This is a benefit to disabled people
and those that have other difficulties, stop moaning and just accept
it.
David Rolph
Frinton on Sea. Essex
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I live in croydon
where the trams have been reintroduced and to be honest I don't
know how we survived before without them. They are smooth ride,
clean, virtually noiseless andm get you to your destination in double
quick time. house prices along the Tram routes have shot up considerably.
Yes there will
be alot of mess and chaos when they are being built but it is well
worth it when the work is completed. I just hope that the Croydon
Tramlink will be extended throughout more of the borough.
One word of
warning though- the planners must anticipate for high useage. Once
everyone has gotten used to the idea and stopped moaning about cost
etc the numbers of passengers using the tram will far exceed expectations.
So the planners must factor in room for expansion.
The only other
downside is that without guards the Trams can become unsafe especially
at night- tram cars tend to then be taken over by youths out to
be a nuisance.
I lived in Nottingham
for 20 odd years and each time I come back to visit the traffic
on the roads seems to have gotten worse.
Get the Trams
in ASAP and you never know I might come back to Nottingham and live!!!!
P. Akor
Croydon
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All that is
happening is that we pay for the short-sightedness following the
Beeching cuts to the railway (and the removal of the Suburban line
somewhat earlier) - even a cursory look at the city shows most of
these disused routes are blocked by later development. I believe
that some in Government at the time suggested the retention of trackbeds
in case they were needed again, but as usual this has not happened.
At least we are trying to do something about the problem now - but
it could and should have been so much easier! However, there are
still some bits left that could be put to use (e.g. the loop to
Gedling Colliery), and we should surely make use of these if the
tram is to be made as cheap and useful as possible - after all,
someone has to pay for it.
Pete T
Nottingham
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I have NEVER
EVER EVER heard such a load of moaning old hacks!! This is from
someone who deals with irratable theatre customers all day!! "Robin
Hood line" this, "Waste of Money" that! Some cities in the UK would
DIE for a tram system, all you Nottingham folk seem to do is moan
about it! Trams are catylysts for regeneration and better, cleaner,
reliable public transport. Manchester was the first UK city to re-introduce
trams back in 1992. They are now so popular that we have had to
get funding to make the trams longer due to more people using the
system than was initially anticipated. If this infamous "Robin Hood
Line" is so great, how come it isn't overused, and having to deal
with what we call "crush" capacities on double trams with a frequency
of every 5 mins? I wish that all you moaners would get your comeuppance,
and when you're sat in a 3 mile tailback, while the Tram users glide
past you, you will be safe in the knowledge that you didn't bother
to try the "waste of money, Robin Hood Line duplicating meanace".
In 2012 when NET is approaching it's 10th anniversary, like our
Metrolink will do next year, you won't know what you did without
NET. Yes, even all you moaning tram-haters. If no-one will use NET,
then it will never get extensions, therefore making a catch 22 situation.
I say to you lot, "Get a life, Get the NET".
Ben Doyle
Pendlebury, Manchester
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I left Nottingham
in 1965. I love to visit old haunts and I still think it is the
Queen of the midlands, but trying to find one's way around is imposssible.
Try going from Trent Bridge to Ollerton Road through the centre
of town. Fancy tearing up the tram tracks before the war, now wanting
them back. Talk about gridlock.
Anthony Hough
California USA
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I cant believe
all the people out there saying that the Tram is a great idea. Wait
until they start digging in your area, and if your house is on the
route, you will realise why there are so many people out there who
are unhappy with it all. We dont need a tram, there are plenty of
buses from Hucknall to Nottingham (every 10 minutes now).
Anon
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With all these
comments regarding the Tram, I live in the Robin Hood line route
area, and i am trying to sell my house. Due to the tram being introduced,
i am having great problems in selling my property. What can you
do if you are desparate for a bigger house for your family. Can
you claim compensation? Anybody else had the same sort of problems?
I also cant understand why there needs to be a tram when there are
more buses and trains being introduced to help with the transport.
Foz
Nottm
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Is there any
truth in the rumour that Nottinghan is to get a multi-million pound
horse and cart system which will cause huge traffic chaos whilst
it is being implemented, and will be of little or no benefit to
the people who live on the route as there is already an adaquate
bus service in existance, and will be of zero benefit to the people
(90% at a guess) who don't live on the route. Or is it just a bad
joke?
John Messgot-Worse
Nottingham
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I have been
wondering if any of the people commenting on this subject from areas
that also have trams could explain what effects any accidents in
the path of the tram have on the traffic in their cities.
For example,
the one way system in Nottingham makes it virtually impossible to
re-route when driving in a car,should you come up against a hold
up like a traffic accident or roadworks.
Nottingham had
trams in its city many years ago and these were superceded in favour
of a more flexible option that did not require rails or overhead
powerlines.Why I wonder was that decision made?I beleive that it
was because it is far more sensible to be able to have a public
service vehicle that is able to respond to the differing road conditions
and take evasive action if neccessary.
Should the emergency
sevices find it neccessary to operate in the path of the tramlines
I can only forsee that the entire system will grind to an abrupt
halt.
If a fire engine needs to supply water across the path of the trams
the trams will have to stop.Currently the buses can at least drive
over ramps and divert around the incident and keep traffic moving.
I do not wish
to be negative about investment in Nottingham but cannot see any
wisdom in this scheme(other than we get our sticky little mitts
on some Eurocash', which is, I beleive the only reason it is being
done.)
Making the city
less accessable for cars by putting up endless road humps,creating
monstrosities like the contra-flow on StAnnsWell Road,narrowing
of streets all add up to making the problems worse.It will not deter
car drivers as they still need to get to work etc.In order to solve
the transport question the soloutions cannot be found peacemeal
as this is.I liken this tram system to buying a set of new shiny
hub caps for a car that doesn't run.
Lets get the whole picture and not just scrabble for some free cash.
Steve
Nottingham
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Safety groups
have warned of the dangers to pedestrians posed by new 15-metre
long buses which European Union ministers are now allowing in Britain.
Would these
be the trams? Or are they they shorter?
from Ananova
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(check out )
bogush
nottingham
and in reply
Good to see
you again Bogush. Very interesting article, but as you no doubt
saw, the safety implication is due to the increased turning radius
of the buses - i.e. the unpredictability of the swing on cornering.
Considering trams travel on tracks I think pedestrians will have
a fair idea of the tram path on the corner.
Stanley
Basford, Nottingham
and in reply
. . .
Errrrrmmmmmmm
I assumed only
the wheels travel on the tracks.
Are the trams
curved?
I'll bow to
your greater knowledge.
I have to guess
- all the photos I've seen only show the drivers cab of the lead
tram.
For some strange
reason they leave out the the rest of the lead tram, and the four
carriages behind!;-)
bogush
nottingham
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Would I be right
in saying the trams are due to travel on more or less the route
as the Robin Rood rain line? So what's the point? Why not spend
the money on the buses and the trains, schools and hospitals? That's
Prescot and his abserd '10 year plan.'
Franky James
Cotgrave
and in reply...
Franky, Please read the rest of this section - that argument
has been answered to death. By the way, good spelling always gives
a point more weight.
Stanley
Basford, Nottingham
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I commute to
Sheffield 5 days of the week to go to University & when I get
off the train I just walk across the foot bridge from the station
to the tram stop & wait for a tram. They run apprximately every
10 mins on the two main routes, they are fast, clean, never empty
& dont get held up by traffic. They do however get held up by
bad parking occasionaly. They are not a replacement for the bus
system but complement an already good public transport infrastructure.
If the Nottingham tram scheme takes a leaf out of Sheffields book
it will be a great asset to the city.
PS Before I
went to Uni I worked as a bus driver & think the whole county
of Nottinghamshire would benefit if there was a well integrated
public transport systeme like the one operating in South Yorkshire.
At the moment it is very patchy in places. And for all the people
who complain about all the old busses, there are still 20+ year
old busses on the roads of Sheffield, most busses are built to last
aruond 25-30 years so there always will be old busses (at over £100,000
each new, their not cheap!)
C J Watson
Sheffield
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In response
to an earlier mail about power used by the tram, the vehicles put
power back into the system during braking. This compensates (although
not entirely) for the other trams on the system who are accelerating.
This ensures greater system efficiency and obviously less emissions.
You cannot even begin to compare these to motor car/ bus emissions,
they are several ballparks away from a tram system.
Normal capacity
is 191 passengers (at 4 people/m2).
In terms of
finance the system is a private finance initiative and hence the
money comes primarily from banks, not the government (contrary to
what they would like you to believe).
Please visit
cities like Strasbourg in France to see what benefits a tram system
can achieve.
I hope this
information is useful and please lets have some constructive criticism,
the tram is going ahead!
Bob
Nottingham
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