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Is the tram system a waste of money?

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I can't believe the amount of people that think the tram duplicates the Robin Hood Line. There are only two places both lines serve, Bulwell and Hucknall, and that's on purpose for interchange. Secondly, car drivers will not use the bus just because the fares are reduced. Car users don't like buses. Once you've bought a car you've already invested a lot of money in it, with insurance, repairs, service, tax - forgetting about fuel. So you need a darned good reason not to use it. And that means a quality alternative like the tram; we may even have to put further penalties on car use such as work place or congestion charging. A final point about Sheffield. I think the reason people are taken out of the city by the tram is because it serves Meadowhall. There is no such mall in Nottingham, and the city centre is much more vibrant.

Dan Bassford
Manila, Philippines and Nottingham

On a recent visit to Rotterdam one of the things that impressed me was the total lack of pollution. Trams play a huge role in that fact. They are not only exhaust free, but are a fast, efficient way of getting across the city. Commuters need and want a genuine reason to leave their cars at home. Millions of pounds spent now will save billions of pounds spent in the future on pollution related diseases.

Marge Marion
Sutton in Ashfield. Notts.

I used to work in Nottingham but am now based in Manchester, home to the Metrolink. It is a clean, fast and efficient way of transporting many hundreds of passengers both into the city and within it. The tram system has recently opened an extension to its service - the areas it now serves are excited about regeneration - businesses are happy to relocate to these districts bringing employment to previously stagnant parts of Manchester. Nottingham was a great city when I left in 1996. With the new tram service it can only improve. The millions of pounds spent developing the system will see greater benefits to the city and its suburbs within time. Don't knock it until you've tried it!

Paul Metcalfe
Chorley, Lancashire

The tram will make Nottingham an even more superb city, attracting even more investment. Cars are nice to travel in, very nice in fact, but we can't always have what we want as my father used to tell me. I say we all get off our bottoms and onto the tram, the sooner the better.

Thomas Bassford
Bramcote, Nottingham

Am I right in thinking that many of your anti-tram correspondents were born post-war and therefore cannot have experienced Nottingham trams? Those oldsters were clean - no diesel fumes - and they could be relied upon to operate,even in the peasoupers we used to get in those days. What's more, the life of a tram outlasts that of a bus, so that rolling stock is more economical in the long run. We all owe a debt of gratitude to Blackpool for keeping the heritage of trams alive and to Manchester and Sheffield for daring to re-introduce them. 78 year old former Nottingham citizen.

Wilf Proctor
Kirkcudbright, Scotland

Trams are inflexible. A bus can go round an obstruction. A tram has to stick to the line. What if a traffic jam develops and vehicles block the route. What if there are other works that needs to be carried out along the route. You can divert a bus route but not a tram route!

D Middleton
Beeston, Nottingham

I'm a car driver and use the buses to go into town, trying to park your car in the city is awful and expensive I think money should be spent on improving what we already have instead of trams that people aren't going to use: WHAT A WASTE OF PEOPLES MONEY.

Michelle
Sneinton, Nottingham

Why not ban cars from the city centre? It works in large areas of Oxford and the place is cleaner, safer and quieter. Why should Nottingham be a dirty Third World city?!

Robert Steadman
Beeston, Nottingham

I`M FROM SHEFFIELD WHERE WE`VE HAD THE TRAM FOR COMING UP TO 5 YEARS . YES, WE`VE HAD THE HIGH AND LOWS OF SEEING BEING COMPLETED AND YES , WE HAVE SEEN IT BEING LAMBASTED AS A WHITE ELEPHANT . BUT 5 YEARS LATER , WE WOULD`NT BE WITHOUT IT . A REGULAR TRAM SERVICE SERVES A NUMBER OF USES - AND IF INTEGRATED WITH BUS AND RAIL TICKETS AND TRAVELPASSES , IT CAN BECOME A VIABLE PROPOSITION FOR DISILLUSIONED CAR DRIVERS . ALL YOU MUST ASK FOR IS THAT IT IS AFFORDABLE TO TRAVEL ON - SHEFFIELD`S TRAMS WERE BAILED BY STAGECOACH AFTER A DISASTROUS FIRST YEAR DUE TO HIGH FARES . BUT DON`T KNOCK IT BEFORE YOU`VE GOT IT - NOTTINGHAM WITH TRAMS WILL BE A BETTER PLACE.

DAVE NIGHTINGALE
SHEFFIELD , ENGLAND

All the objections to trams seem to be from those who have no experience of them, my only addition to this debate is that although I was born after the Nottingham trams (though not the London or Sheffield ones) I do remember with affection the trolley buses - quiet and comfortable - and regret their change to polluting combustion engines.

C. T. Gillett
Wellington

The Tram System in central European cities, especially Amsterdam, is very efficient and should add a certain cosmopolitan atmosphere to the centre of Nottingham. As a cheap and clean alternative to cars and buses, the Tram System will also improve the air quality in the centre and promote more outside dining facilities.

PAUL CAMPBELL
Nottingham, England

Anything that makes transport in, out and around Nottingham easier is to be welcomed, but the tram proposal risks ending up like the notts-mansfield robin hood line - a good idea but not as effective as it could be. We must make sure the tram system will work for all before it begins operating.

Frank Wilson
Mansfield, Notts.

Before anyone travels by public transport we have to make sure that the journey is stress free. At the moment passengers are subjected to swearing, children screaming and passengers that smell and people who are just unsocialble.

Withheld
Sutton-in-Ashfield

I think that the tram system should be extended to other outlying areas of the city. It should serve areas like West Bridgford Carlton and Chilwell/Attenborough. At the moment it is just a duplication of the Robin Hood line.

Mary
Carlton

Trams seem to be a good idea. But I echo the comments of others - why that direction for both the tram and the Robin Hood Line? The City councillors don't live that way by any chance, do they?

Bus passenger
Long Eaton

The idea of a tram in a city like Nottingham should be met with praise - they are cleaner faster more pleasant to travel on. the only difficulty is that they appear to have followed the Sheffield planning method i.e. putting a stratight line through with plans for future branches - this did not really work in Sheffield as you can travel between Halfway (a place name) and Meadowhall (which has the biggest car parking capacity in Europe) - the Manchester model was more successful because they went along former routes of railways whihc meant that they serve large centres of population. I just hope that extensions to the tramline will follow soon out towards Beeston/Long Eaton and down to west bridgford and others - this would mean that it would serve a signifcant proportion which would mean greater take up and greater success. People shouldn't be so negative about though - give it a chance it is a far better way to travel than car or bus.

Ed
Dunkirk

do we all remember the trolley buses in nottingham.they were quiet and no pullution why did they ever get rid of them.it would have been better to have kept them and improved them over the years instead of wasting money on a new system that was not needed.

Mr Clarke
Nottingham

It is a projected figure that we are talking about just like the original cost of the chunnel and the dome were projected figures. I wonder how much it will cost in the end. I would suggest that the money could be much better spent.

Bob Rosamond
Nottingham (Carlton)

I think the trams are a very good idea (we should not have got rid of them in the 50's 60's). The only problem is the route. An early post mentioned the existance of the Robin Hodd Line- why do we need more. The route Long Eaton-Toton-Chilwell-Beeston is clogged daily. This should be the primary route.

Adrian
Nottingham

First the trams move in, then the cars are frozen out using parking restrictions and charges, then most car drivers, who if they can not drive to within a two minute walk from their car, start to use out-of-town-shopping (where car parking is FREE and next to the shops), all retailers are looking towards this move eventualy, then the shopping in the City Center dies as it becomes a entertainment centre. I wish their was an alternative to the transport but it's too little too late and replacing bus routes with trams is not the answer. Arnold is a good example of the car and shops working well, FREE car parking close the shops.

Paul Nix
Nottingham

The current Robin Hood Line service is so appalling, the fact that the tram and train will be competing at points around Nottingham might encourage Central Trains to pull their socks up.

Anon.
Huthwaite

I mirror other peoples thoughts on Continental Tram Systems, having visited Amsterdam & Toronto. Both have an intregated transport systems, and both work to perfection. In the case of Toronto, they have buses, trams, underground & monorail, pay one fair and catch anything that will get you to your destination. Isn't that what is needed for travellers from Robin Hood Line passengers to Nottingham?

Rod
Nottingham

A very big waste of taxpayers money ,which would be better spent on NHS to get waiting lists down and pay the nurses a living wage.

Walter Marriott
Hucknall, Notts.

1. In most European cities & also places like Sheffield the trams run for a lot of their route on their own separate tracks. in Nottingham they are mostly being built on roads that already exist, thereby adding to the jams, not solving them.
2. In some areas it will kill off trade as it will move people away from those areas. hyson Green has been mentioned, Radford is another area & there may be more
3. Why waste so many millions, we could reduce the pollution with very little (in comparison) expense by re introducing the Trolleybus (0-30 in one jerk).

Alan
Nottingham

I think that the introduction of a modern tram system in Nottingham has been a long time coming and residents of greater Nottingham will benefit from reduced travel times (quicker than the car) and a more healthy city for us and our children. Carlton next please.

Lisa Alexander
Nottingham

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