Is the tram system
a waste of money?
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I can't believe
the amount of people that think the tram duplicates the Robin Hood
Line. There are only two places both lines serve, Bulwell and Hucknall,
and that's on purpose for interchange. Secondly, car drivers will
not use the bus just because the fares are reduced. Car users don't
like buses. Once you've bought a car you've already invested a lot
of money in it, with insurance, repairs, service, tax - forgetting
about fuel. So you need a darned good reason not to use it. And
that means a quality alternative like the tram; we may even have
to put further penalties on car use such as work place or congestion
charging. A final point about Sheffield. I think the reason people
are taken out of the city by the tram is because it serves Meadowhall.
There is no such mall in Nottingham, and the city centre is much
more vibrant.
Dan Bassford
Manila, Philippines and Nottingham
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On a recent
visit to Rotterdam one of the things that impressed me was the total
lack of pollution. Trams play a huge role in that fact. They are
not only exhaust free, but are a fast, efficient way of getting
across the city. Commuters need and want a genuine reason to leave
their cars at home. Millions of pounds spent now will save billions
of pounds spent in the future on pollution related diseases.
Marge Marion
Sutton in Ashfield. Notts.
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I used to work
in Nottingham but am now based in Manchester, home to the Metrolink.
It is a clean, fast and efficient way of transporting many hundreds
of passengers both into the city and within it. The tram system
has recently opened an extension to its service - the areas it now
serves are excited about regeneration - businesses are happy to
relocate to these districts bringing employment to previously stagnant
parts of Manchester. Nottingham was a great city when I left in
1996. With the new tram service it can only improve. The millions
of pounds spent developing the system will see greater benefits
to the city and its suburbs within time. Don't knock it until you've
tried it!
Paul Metcalfe
Chorley, Lancashire
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The tram will
make Nottingham an even more superb city, attracting even more investment.
Cars are nice to travel in, very nice in fact, but we can't always
have what we want as my father used to tell me. I say we all get
off our bottoms and onto the tram, the sooner the better.
Thomas Bassford
Bramcote, Nottingham
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Am I right in
thinking that many of your anti-tram correspondents were born post-war
and therefore cannot have experienced Nottingham trams? Those oldsters
were clean - no diesel fumes - and they could be relied upon to
operate,even in the peasoupers we used to get in those days. What's
more, the life of a tram outlasts that of a bus, so that rolling
stock is more economical in the long run. We all owe a debt of gratitude
to Blackpool for keeping the heritage of trams alive and to Manchester
and Sheffield for daring to re-introduce them. 78 year old former
Nottingham citizen.
Wilf Proctor
Kirkcudbright, Scotland
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Trams are inflexible.
A bus can go round an obstruction. A tram has to stick to the line.
What if a traffic jam develops and vehicles block the route. What
if there are other works that needs to be carried out along the
route. You can divert a bus route but not a tram route!
D Middleton
Beeston, Nottingham
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I'm a car driver
and use the buses to go into town, trying to park your car in the
city is awful and expensive I think money should be spent on improving
what we already have instead of trams that people aren't going to
use: WHAT A WASTE OF PEOPLES MONEY.
Michelle
Sneinton, Nottingham
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Why not ban
cars from the city centre? It works in large areas of Oxford and
the place is cleaner, safer and quieter. Why should Nottingham be
a dirty Third World city?!
Robert Steadman
Beeston, Nottingham
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I`M FROM SHEFFIELD
WHERE WE`VE HAD THE TRAM FOR COMING UP TO 5 YEARS . YES, WE`VE HAD
THE HIGH AND LOWS OF SEEING BEING COMPLETED AND YES , WE HAVE SEEN
IT BEING LAMBASTED AS A WHITE ELEPHANT . BUT 5 YEARS LATER , WE
WOULD`NT BE WITHOUT IT . A REGULAR TRAM SERVICE SERVES A NUMBER
OF USES - AND IF INTEGRATED WITH BUS AND RAIL TICKETS AND TRAVELPASSES
, IT CAN BECOME A VIABLE PROPOSITION FOR DISILLUSIONED CAR DRIVERS
. ALL YOU MUST ASK FOR IS THAT IT IS AFFORDABLE TO TRAVEL ON - SHEFFIELD`S
TRAMS WERE BAILED BY STAGECOACH AFTER A DISASTROUS FIRST YEAR DUE
TO HIGH FARES . BUT DON`T KNOCK IT BEFORE YOU`VE GOT IT - NOTTINGHAM
WITH TRAMS WILL BE A BETTER PLACE.
DAVE NIGHTINGALE
SHEFFIELD , ENGLAND
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All the objections
to trams seem to be from those who have no experience of them, my
only addition to this debate is that although I was born after the
Nottingham trams (though not the London or Sheffield ones) I do
remember with affection the trolley buses - quiet and comfortable
- and regret their change to polluting combustion engines.
C. T. Gillett
Wellington
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The Tram System
in central European cities, especially Amsterdam, is very efficient
and should add a certain cosmopolitan atmosphere to the centre of
Nottingham. As a cheap and clean alternative to cars and buses,
the Tram System will also improve the air quality in the centre
and promote more outside dining facilities.
PAUL CAMPBELL
Nottingham, England
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Anything that
makes transport in, out and around Nottingham easier is to be welcomed,
but the tram proposal risks ending up like the notts-mansfield robin
hood line - a good idea but not as effective as it could be. We
must make sure the tram system will work for all before it begins
operating.
Frank Wilson
Mansfield, Notts.
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Before anyone
travels by public transport we have to make sure that the journey
is stress free. At the moment passengers are subjected to swearing,
children screaming and passengers that smell and people who are
just unsocialble.
Withheld
Sutton-in-Ashfield
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I think that
the tram system should be extended to other outlying areas of the
city. It should serve areas like West Bridgford Carlton and Chilwell/Attenborough.
At the moment it is just a duplication of the Robin Hood line.
Mary
Carlton
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Trams seem to
be a good idea. But I echo the comments of others - why that direction
for both the tram and the Robin Hood Line? The City councillors
don't live that way by any chance, do they?
Bus passenger
Long Eaton
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The idea of
a tram in a city like Nottingham should be met with praise - they
are cleaner faster more pleasant to travel on. the only difficulty
is that they appear to have followed the Sheffield planning method
i.e. putting a stratight line through with plans for future branches
- this did not really work in Sheffield as you can travel between
Halfway (a place name) and Meadowhall (which has the biggest car
parking capacity in Europe) - the Manchester model was more successful
because they went along former routes of railways whihc meant that
they serve large centres of population. I just hope that extensions
to the tramline will follow soon out towards Beeston/Long Eaton
and down to west bridgford and others - this would mean that it
would serve a signifcant proportion which would mean greater take
up and greater success. People shouldn't be so negative about though
- give it a chance it is a far better way to travel than car or
bus.
Ed
Dunkirk
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do we all remember
the trolley buses in nottingham.they were quiet and no pullution
why did they ever get rid of them.it would have been better to have
kept them and improved them over the years instead of wasting money
on a new system that was not needed.
Mr Clarke
Nottingham
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It is a projected
figure that we are talking about just like the original cost of
the chunnel and the dome were projected figures. I wonder how much
it will cost in the end. I would suggest that the money could be
much better spent.
Bob Rosamond
Nottingham (Carlton)
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I think the
trams are a very good idea (we should not have got rid of them in
the 50's 60's). The only problem is the route. An early post mentioned
the existance of the Robin Hodd Line- why do we need more. The route
Long Eaton-Toton-Chilwell-Beeston is clogged daily. This should
be the primary route.
Adrian
Nottingham
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First the trams
move in, then the cars are frozen out using parking restrictions
and charges, then most car drivers, who if they can not drive to
within a two minute walk from their car, start to use out-of-town-shopping
(where car parking is FREE and next to the shops), all retailers
are looking towards this move eventualy, then the shopping in the
City Center dies as it becomes a entertainment centre. I wish their
was an alternative to the transport but it's too little too late
and replacing bus routes with trams is not the answer. Arnold is
a good example of the car and shops working well, FREE car parking
close the shops.
Paul Nix
Nottingham
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The current
Robin Hood Line service is so appalling, the fact that the tram
and train will be competing at points around Nottingham might encourage
Central Trains to pull their socks up.
Anon.
Huthwaite
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I mirror other
peoples thoughts on Continental Tram Systems, having visited Amsterdam
& Toronto. Both have an intregated transport systems, and both work
to perfection. In the case of Toronto, they have buses, trams, underground
& monorail, pay one fair and catch anything that will get you to
your destination. Isn't that what is needed for travellers from
Robin Hood Line passengers to Nottingham?
Rod
Nottingham
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A very big waste
of taxpayers money ,which would be better spent on NHS to get waiting
lists down and pay the nurses a living wage.
Walter Marriott
Hucknall, Notts.
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1. In most European
cities & also places like Sheffield the trams run for a lot of their
route on their own separate tracks. in Nottingham they are mostly
being built on roads that already exist, thereby adding to the jams,
not solving them.
2. In some areas it will kill off trade as it will move people away
from those areas. hyson Green has been mentioned, Radford is another
area & there may be more
3. Why waste so many millions, we could reduce the pollution with
very little (in comparison) expense by re introducing the Trolleybus
(0-30 in one jerk).
Alan
Nottingham
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I think that
the introduction of a modern tram system in Nottingham has been
a long time coming and residents of greater Nottingham will benefit
from reduced travel times (quicker than the car) and a more healthy
city for us and our children. Carlton next please.
Lisa Alexander
Nottingham
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