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Is the tram system a waste of money?


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Trams are an excellent idea. It is disappointing routes have not been earmarked to cover round the Nottingham ring road.

Trams can run when buses are thwarted by certain weather conditions and their main benefit, no pollution.

The only worry is if the Tories get in again and they try to scupper them. Every time they try to govern, public transport suffers in the long term.


Graham Shepherd
Nottingham

I think the ratepayer could probably get considerably more mass transportation facilites for the money (and with less disruption) by making dramatic improvements to bus services, including far more (and better enforced) bus lanes, cleaner, quieter, more comfortable buses, more regular services, properly paid drivers etc.

And they would be of use to the majority, not just those who live in a narrow northern corridor. The main reason I can see for going for trams is the feeling that they can be marketed as trendy and new, and thus attract out of their cars some who would not be seen dead on a bus.

I think tram schemes find it easier to attract funding. Buses are seen as old hat by central government and were deregulated, and it seems too much of U-turn to allow much subsidy again. Instead tram schemes attract huge grants, because they're seen as new and trendy.

People imagine that having a tram will make Nottingham as clean and attractive and cultural and trendy as Stuttgart or Florence or Berlin (or Sheffield!).

Rob Edlin-White
Carlton, Nottingham

I think it's a terrible idea and waste of money. Spend it on a dome in notttingham, the nottingham Dome.

Mavis
Bulwell

Giant Spuds. Dingbat. Petunia. Trams are great. So long as they're green, that's my favourite flavour.

Mr. T
Nottingham

It's gonna be fantsastic...shut up your moaning everyone.. haven't you got anything constructive to say?

Doreen
Hucknall

Love your trams. In years to come you will be as gratefull as the people of Melborne for their brilliant ,co ordiated tram amd train system, One ticket for all services stretching 48 km east 50 km north 40 km west and 126 km south of the city So who needs a car? If you do use one its easy because nearly evey one else use the trams and trains.Why wouldnt they?Its less than one eighth the cost of the car. Adelaide uses buses they are cramped slow and impede traffic flow .They also produce air pollution at a rate wich gives that city and asthma and respiratory illness rate 5 times that of melbourne which has 4 times the population. Be thankfull you live in a city that has the foresight to realise the enormous social and financial and environmental benefits of electric tramway and railway operation. Good fortune to you all g.harrop Australia

G, Harrop
Australia

I work in Sheffield. The best thing about the place is the tram system. It's clean, cheap, reliable and quick. The sooner the Nottingham system is finished the better.

Gary
Worksop

I am a language student who has spent two years living in the Lenton area of Nottingham, and has now moved out to Germany to continue my course. Here in Germany I take the tram every single day, at least twice if not more. Not once has there been a hold up of any sort, no blockages, no breakdowns. The trams run day and night, they are an efficient way of moving large numbers of people about the city, and every day as we speed past large traffic jams, i think back to wasting time sitting on the buses in Nottingham during the rushhour chaos. The cost is reasonable because it is a good service that people value and consider worthwhile. I wholeheartedly support Trams in Nottingham and look forward to using them.

Polly Garnett
Jena. Germany

Lets be positive,the new tram system is an investment for the future.Its going to be many years before everyone reaps the benefits But lets face it the current problems we face in this country cry out for an imaginative plan.I certainly would not have voted for the first line to come from Hucknall,I think Clifton would have been a more suitable proposition,but I look forward to future links. Public transport has got to improve,at present it is totally inadequate.I live three miles from work,two bus rides,I either cycle(not in this weather)or I use my car.

Chris Thompson

I'm at Nottingham Girls High School and I'm doing a piece of A level coursework on the costs and benefits of Nottingham's tram. I'm trying to balance them up to see whether the decision to go ahead with it was worth it or not... but one thing that's struck me reading the comments on this page is that the majority of the negative views centre on the money side of things, whereas the positive views are looking mostly just at the environment. Has nobody taken all sides of the argument into consideration? I also wonder if people think the council took enough notice of the citizens when making the decision. i would greatly appreciate any views or comments people have.... cheers

Anon.
Long Eaton

As a fan of the old Great Central Railway, I await the introduction of trams to Nottingham with great enthusiasm.Sydney withdrew its trams,which proved to be a shortsighted decision.A new tramway system is currently being developed.I urge everyone to support your new nottingham tramway asit is the way of the future.

Warwick Tafe
Sydney Australia

Is this a step backwards the trolley busses were great none polluting wont the trams disrupt normal traffic road space is so limmited

Mel Drage
Squamish,b.c.canada

All this money could be spent on making buses free, which would certainly encourage people out of their cars. NCT buses also cover the whole city area, so this would maximise potential benefits rather than limiting any potential improvements to the Hyson Green corridor.

Mike
Nottingham

in reply...

NCT already serve the whole of the City - that's why they are called Nottingham City Transport. To make buses free would encourage people out of their cars, but how can any business, which is what many people forget to accept NCT as, survive if there was no income?

Anthony
Bestwood Park, Nottingham

The tram is going to change Nottingham for the better but people have got to give it time. The council can't open all the planned routes at once as it will cuase traffic chaos and we can't upset the car drivers can we?

People are already complaining about the money it's costing to build route one but once this has been built, money made from it can go towards routes 2-4 and the network will grow.

Similar money spent on the railway or road network wouldn't solve the problems as much as the tram will.

I personally can't wait for the day that traffic is banned from the city centre completely!

Ian T
Long Eaton

After reading through the comments, it seems apparant that most people moaning about the tram are coming up with the same uninformed comments.

Firstly, although the tram does duplicate the areas served by the Robin Hood Line, the train doesn't stop between Bulwell or Nottingham or between Bulwell and Hucknall, as the tram will do.

Secondly, although Nottingham City Transport provides excellent services along this corridor, once the tram is running, it has already been announced that services would be revised and feeder buses introduced.

Anthony
Bestwood Park, Nottingham

I generally support the tram, I think it will help regenerate the northern part of the city, as it has done in Manchester and reduce dirt in the centre produced by diesel buses, but it is expensive. Although most of the money I think is coming from central goverment and not the council tax Marc P suggested. The line one proposal to create a south Notts transite system are cheap by comparison as it uses mostly existing railway track. What a shame the council has allow the distruction of the old railways into the centre of the city such as the old LNER line. You could of caught a train near Keyworth stoping at Edwalton, West Bridgford, Nottingham station, then going underground with stops at the lace market, the Victoria Centre then up under Mansfield road to Sherwood and further.

William Davison
Nottingham

Manchester has had it's Metrolink Tram System now for seven years. It carries 15 MILLION passengers per year. It has been so successful in taking thousands of car journeys off the packed roads to the city centre. Here it connects the two main train stations and all of the exhibition centres. It's been so successful that five new lines, ading to a total of 45 miles will be added. Just think, this might be Nottingham in seven years time. The old Salford Quays (Dock Area) has had regeneration, new jobs, house prices have gone up as more people want to live near the line. Surely Nottingham's Public want this? Metrolink was expensive to convert and build on the road, but it has been worth it. Manchester also has an integrated ticketing system called "System 1" where a bus ticket can be bought and used on all local buses, trains and trams. Trams are proven to reduce congestion. The Bury-Altrincham line uses old railway tracks and travels at over 50 mph. Perhaps the infamous !

Anon.

The tram system does not duplicate the Robin Hood line. You try getting a train from the Market Square to Hyson Green, or to Cinderhill. If more people can leave their cars in various Park&Rides outside the city centre, more's the better. We'll also gain more green space on the Forest with the reduction of the current Park&Ride. People are worried about getting from Hyson Green and Forest Fields to the proposed Water Park on the Forest after the outdated Victorian baths are closed. How about getting the tram? Its a great project for the city and the sooner plans are made for city-wide extensions and a fully integrated transport hub, the better.

Andrew Marshal
Nottingham

Money for the tram would be better spent improving existing public transport e.g. giving the Robin Hood line two train lines through Hucknall and Newstead.

Sandra
Hucknall, Nottinghamshire

When are we going to get the tram system extended to West Bridgford and the areas over the river. The terrain is fairly level there, and it could extend out to the Park and Ride, allowing a realistic alternative to clogging the city centre with cars, for those who commute in from the outlying villages. Dunkirk, Beeston, Attenborough, and Long Eaton is another obvious route. Another thought, what effect would proximity to the tram route have on house prices in those area's ?

Mike
West Bridgford, Nottingham

Millions of pounds? It's more like hundreds of millions of pounds and who will benefit -- the contractors and builders and some obscure French company who have a large slice of the action. Trams will probably be out of fashion by the time it opens, anyway.

Eric
Woodborough, Nottingham


Instead of spending huge amounts of money on a new tram system that will serve already established routes, the public transport system should be free or much cheaper, especially services from outside Nottingham. The Robin Hood Line is becoming much more reliable and is reasonably priced - more money should be put in to maintaining a good service, putting on extra carriages and extending the timetable.

Helen
Mansfield, Notts.

What a waste of money. It's hard enough to get people to come and spend their money in Hyson Green anyway but you can forget it now. Why not spend the vast amount of cash on improving the area, instead of causing all that disruption for a service to take people out of the area and into the city.

Sara
Hyson Green, Nottingham


I think the tram is a complete waste of money! If you look at places like Sheffield which has got a tram system, it has taken people OUT of the city and not into it. Also, why have a route that duplicates the Robin Hood Line?

Tom
City Centre , Nottingham

It seems to me that any scheme that's ultimate aim is to reduce congestion, pollution and when established speed up peoples journeys should be given a chance. Anyone who has to travel into the centre of Nottingham knows that the current system of Bus and car lanes is approaching gridlock.

Peter
Notts

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