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This episode is about optimism and hope and where we can find it in the often depressing climate change story.

The supermodel, businesswoman and ‘Who Cares Wins’ podcaster Lily Cole talks to Liz Bonnin, Matt McGrath and Victoria Gill along with young conservationist Bella Lack about their own activism and projects, staying positive and the future of the planet.

Lily also discusses the challenges of hypocrisy and tells the team, it’s better to have lots of imperfect environmentalists rather than a few perfect ones.