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Democrats and Republicans have promised to solve the border crisis in recent times but they've failed and it remains a huge election issue. How does the problem get resolved?

David Aaronovitch talks to:

Gustavo Solis, investigative border reporter at KPBS television station in San Diego
Doris Meissner is Senior Fellow and Director, U.S. Immigration Policy Program
Edward Alden, senior fellow at the Council on Fore颅颅颅ign Relations and author of When the World Closed Its Doors: The Covid-19 Tragedy and the Future of Borders

Production team: Sally Abrahams, Kirsteen Knight and Ben Carter
Editor: Richard Vadon
Production Co-ordinator: Gemma Ashman
Sound engineers: Neil Churchill