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In the fourth episode of Football Firsts, Troy and Jermain reflect on the first rollockings they ever got from a manager, what was said, and how they reacted to it.

Troy talks about how Sean Dyche set about him after failing to listen to instructions, and how he tested him every single day at training. Jermain discusses how Martin Jol "came for him" at half time of a game, leading Defoe to throw a water bottle. And the pair compare notes on the worst rollockings they've seen in a dressing room, including one done through an interpreter.

They discuss David Beckham and Glenn Hoddle, why Marco Silva is ruthless, and what made Fabio Capello so scary. And why certain players lose their heads and what the ramifications are when that happens.