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Do we get the leaders we need, or do we just get the leaders we deserve, with all the character flaws that we ourselves may possess? Trust in politicians is low, and standards of behaviour in public life not always of the highest. And yet, is it reasonable for us to expect flawed human beings like ourselves to be perfect? Jonathan Thomas discusses the issue of contemporary leadership with a panel of guests: Dr Thomas Prosser, Reader in European Social Policy at Cardiff University and author of a book exploring self-interest in voting; Rev Catherine De Souza, Senior Leader at City Church Cardiff and national leader of Kyria Network in Wales, devoted to promoting the interests of women in leadership roles; and Dr Iwan Russell-Jones, a lecturer in Christianity in the arts.