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This week the iconic Michelle Visage sits down for a one-to-one encounter with singer Jessie J to discuss music, fame, her health struggles and why she chose to share news of her miscarriage on social media.

From how she first discovered that voice to navigating the British press and coming to terms with her sexuality in the public eye, Jessie and Michelle go deep on breaking the rules, ruffling feathers and having the strength to carry on, no matter what life throws at you.

What鈥檚 it like to discover you have a heart condition at the age of nine? Or have your time at the Brit School cut short by a stroke at 17? Michelle talks to one of her favourite mavericks about her Broadway dreams, the big maternal energy she hopes to start a family with one day and why we could all do with a dose of empathy.

You will hear Jessie discuss her recent experience of miscarriage in this episode. A list of organisations that can provide help and support is available at bbc.co.uk/actionline.