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Anne McElvoy presents the debate programme which invites two people who disagree on an issue of principle to listen closely to each other's arguments - and then to find out what drives them.

In this edition, policy researcher Kimberly McIntosh and journalist Tom Owolade discuss whether US approaches to combating racism are worth trying in Britain.

And Anne works with conflict resolution specialist Gabrielle Rifkind to foster a more exploratory conversation, to encourage both speakers to probe the values and experiences that underpin each other's beliefs.

Producer: Phil Tinline