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Novelist Scarlett Thomas, argues that suffering is key to the process of writing a book - especially if you are dealing in the world of fiction.

The author, who also teaches Creative Writing at the University of Kent, notes that the process isn't it as simple as writing a few words, deleting a few words and sending it off to be published. Scarlett wishes it was - but sadly the art of suffering isn't on the agenda at your average creative writing course.

In this series of The Essay, recorded in front of an audience at the 2017 Hay Festival, five writers offer a personal guide to 'how to write a book'. Where do their ideas come from? Do they stick to a regular writing plan? Are there times when they just want to give up? Join them as they dispel some of the myths and share some of the secrets of getting to the final page.

The writers in the series include the new director of the Royal Institution and expert on ageing Sarah Harper, the international lawyer Philippe Sands, translator Daniel Hahn and historian Martin Johnes.

Part of Radio 3's week-long residency at the Hay Festival, with programmes CD Review, Lunchtime Concert, In Tune, Free Thinking, The Verb and World on 3 all broadcasting from the festival.