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You don't find many government advisors astride a quad bike half way up a mountain, but Cumbrian farmer Will Cockbain isn't your average government advisor. His family have been hill farmers in the fells near Keswick for three hundred years, but for several days each month Will swaps his flock of swaledales for a briefcase and a smart suit. He sits on the board of Natural England, the body that advises the government in England on conservation, landscape and all aspects of the natural environment. He's no stranger to farming politics, having spent eight years as the NFU's Uplands Spokesman. In this week's On Your Farm he talks to Caz Graham about his dual life, his role at Natural England and the debate about just how many sheep should be grazing the UK's uplands.

Produced and presented by Caz Graham.