What is it about penalties?
- 1 Jul 06, 07:15 PM
GELSENKIRCHEN - Terrible, just terrible. I am sick to the stomach.
on penalties induces not only a distressing feeling of deja vu but also a slight nausea.
Two years ago I wrote - change a few words and it is as relevant today as it was then.
It could have all been so different, certainly the day got off to an interesting start - read more about my trip to the ground in a limo belonging to a, as-then-unkown to me, famous German actor further down.
As I write this the England players are doing their lap of the stadium, Sven-Goran Eriksson is with them - for the last time.
This morning I woke up at a service station, sweaty and grimy, and set off for the final 100 kilometres to our campsite and the blessed salvation of a shower.
Alas, as we closed in on the junction from which we were due to turn off, the traffic abruptly stopped and lay strectched out before us, motionless, as far as the eye could see.
When people get out of their cars and gaze into the distance on the fast lane of the autobahn you know you have a problem.
Fast forward 90 minutes and Ricco and I are on a train from Dortmund bound for Gelsenkirchen talking to a smartly-dressed German guy.
As we depart he offers us a lift to the stadium in the car he has waiting. I accept, Ricco heads off into the centre.
On the way to his waiting, ahem, limo people stare at him, I see him signing an autograph. Who is this guy?
I ask and he replies "an actor". I ask his name and he tells me it is and that he has been in many movies, on stage and TV.
As we get in the limo he buys some beers and offers me one and then talks me through the history of the area, for it is close to where he was born.
I need a bank and he insists we drive around and around until we find one, he tries but fails to get a ticket for Ricco.
Needless to say England fans were to be seen everywhere. On every corner as we drove to the stadium, at every traffic light, in every available spot of shade, in every bar. Everywhere
At the stadium Joachim wishes me all the best and seems genuinely pleased with the 'Fletch and Ricco' T-shirt that Ricco gave him.
Once inside it took a while for me to find the Portugal fans such was the dominance of the red and white.
The other thing that struck me was the heat.
With the roof closed at the AufSchalke Arena the heat was intense - there was a scramble among journalists for the free supply of water at half-time and it must have been horrible for the players.
Yet England held firm for so long when down to 10 men and I thought Owen Hargreaves was different class, winning over the England fans.
As the officials sorted out the penalty shoot-out was played over the tannoy.
What will be is England losing - that seems almost inevitable.
It is now 30 minutes after England were knocked out and still many fans are sat in their seats, stunned, unable to leave.
They were magnificent during the match - and I hope they will be magnanimous in defeat in Gelsenkirchen and the surrounding area this evening.
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i dont belive ronaldo how can he do that to his own team mate and also how yet again can we go out on penaltys, i feel sick
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Not only the press, everyone's going to judge his reign as a disappointment. Why? Because it was! He somehow contrived to make possibly the most talented group of England players for 40 years play like an inept pub side, never achieving anything like their potential and sabotaging their success any time it looked likely. He will hopefully go down as the biggest fraud in football.
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It's very disappointing. I felt very sad for all of the players. I really think they gave it everything they had in the 2nd half after they went down to 10 men.
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Wow, consider yourself lucky, Paul! Getting a lift from Joachim Kr贸l, one of Germany's finest actors ;) this should be some consolation for such a dark day.
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what a result.
I hate sport and detest football - the only part of the world cup I happened to watch was the penalty shoot out - where the england goalie cheated every time - he is NOT supposed to move - and one england player tried to cheat by kicking before the goal keeper was ready - he didn't get away with that - but what a result - seems england cheated earlier in the match as well with rooney being sent of for a nasty foul - why can't sport just be sport - instead of this crap. maybe now we can get the normal telly programmes back instead of 'sport' railroading everything! I hope so,
A.
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Really sad. England's best performance in terms of passion and guts but all to no avail and that rooney card was surely only worth a yellow.
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england played well after Rooney was sent off-i wonder if we'll know the TRUE involvement of ronaldo in that-not much love lost there! Feel betrayed by Erikkson-the manager who promised so much but delivered very little.
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All round good game for england especially after the red card and the substitution of Beckham. The red card was a harsh decision by the referee even though Rooney was not supposed to push a fellow player. Kudos to Owen Hargreeves who is my man of the match.
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group of England players for 40 years play like an inept pub side ....or maybe that's what they are - and can't get anywhere if they're not allowed to cheat? Why is 'sport' nowadays all about money and cheating - and not really abouot sport at all?
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Can't you jsut tell - all the positive commenst on here are from blinkered englishmen - maybe when they're sober tomorrow they'll see the light? I doubt it.
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I don't think that the England vs Portugal game will go down as a classic. However, the Wayne Rooney sending off was absolutely justified as he clearly committed a serious foul in front of the referee. It is a shame because he is a very talented player !!
I cannot wait for the Semi finals.
Neil
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England played well and Hargreaves had a great game. There should have been a penalty for England (handball) and I wonder, had Lampard missed that one, would he still be the first pen taker?
Lennon and Crouch were good and the defence and Robinson were immense.
If we had Scolari, we would have won the World Cup.
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With a 9 and 7 year old boy I am finding it diffcult to get across to them that you shouldnt cheat, dive, wrestle players in the box, and finally (with Ronaldo following a long line of others) do all you can to get other players sent off.
After all this seems to go on and be rewarded or so they see, and FIFA dont seem to want to reward honesty.
The Ronaldo wink after Rooney was sent off was almost acknowledging a job well done - well that must make him very proud. Show some balls Blatter and ban him.
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I'm disappointed to see so many negative comments. The Ref is the person that decided this game. In my opinion he gave the Red Card for the push on Chrisiano Ronaldo. I think that this WAS NOT even a yellow card incident, and it is wrong of Ronaldo to charge to the referee as he did. I hope he leaves England, as we do not want that kind of game over here.
Why it was a red card noone will ever know, spoiled the game completely, and we did well to hang on till the end. When are we gonna get some refereeing decisions in our favour? He put us out the world cup.
Hibbo
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..played like a pub side with a poor manager. We follow St Albans City - they would have done better....
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I am shocked and appalled at the dreadful job the referee did with this game.
Which genius at FIFA couldn't look back 20+ years remembering what happened in the Falklands, and the undercurrent of tension where either Argentine players or referees have been involved with England on the pitch?
To install an Argentinean referee in a quarter-final match where both teams have everything on the line seems, if not insane, then at the very least, an extremely questionable choice.
All this makes me wonder if, some months from now, a match fixing scandal similar to the current debacle in Italy, won't erupt in the wake of the doubtful decisions this, and other, referees have made during the course of this tournament.
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Reluctantly, commiserations on your defeat. I say reluctantly, as an Irishman I feel a tad sorry for you lot, well to the extent of 1-2%!
This sympathy is tempered by the almost unbearable hype in Eng.re.the players by the media & fans, and to a lesser extent, themselves!
The fact is there are many reasons why England failed;but being a good Celt, we'd never tell you why!
We don't Ever want a repeat of that fluke of 40 yrs.ago! Welcome to Mediocrity, 'ad nauseum'.........
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Hargreaves was utterly brilliant, quite breathtaking. His performance was the only one the team or us can take pride from.
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I am sooo glad it's all over and we can get back to normal. All the hype, all the hope, all the misplaced optimism....
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it was our game and we suffered. We played with our hearts and souls in the last 30 minutes. But you can't help but feel we were missing that final something.I can't write anymore...
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Refused to watch the penalty shoot-out as I have done ever since it was first introduced. It is a ridiculous way to settle an important game and puts too much pressure and responsibility on an individual player, when it is supposed to be a team game. A toss of a coin would be just as fair, (or just as unfair). Having said that I thought Portugal edged it over 120 minutes, although our players gave their all. Pity about the tactics. The players never looked comfortable in their roles throughout the competition.
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Terry Butcher predicted England to win 2-0. I thought he was being more patriotic than pragmatic. Erickson's players with the exception of Ashley Cole are just a shade above average yet the English press writes as though they are world beaters. Well Scolari has made England eat humble pie 3 times in a row. The English should learn from the Germans, be humble, play down your chances and take everyone by surprise!
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This begs the question - would things have been different had we started with Lennon and/or Carrick?
Now no-one will know, but Ericsson has had the worst tournament of his life.
For me his management reign has been abysmal...stupid "tactical" substitutions, players playing badly and still keeping their places, and abysmal initial squad selection.
The true reason we (England) are out of this world cup is the manager, people will try to blame the players, but when you have a manager that insists on substituting the players that play well, we are not going to have any chance of reaching a World Cup Semi Final, let alone the Final itself.
Why substitute Joe Cole? With Cole and Lennon on the pitch, we would have been stretching Portugal down both wings.
And for me, bringing Carragher on at the end was a blatant attempt to play for penalties..why not bring Carrick on at the start of extra time and try and actually win the game? Yet as before, the under perfoming players (Lampard is a prime candidate here) are left on the pitch, and the players that are acheiving are subbed off.
Ericcson, good riddance, and lets hope that your managment style hasn't influenced Steve McLaren.
On the Rooney sending off, I think it should've been just a yellow card, however it was a blatant foul, in front of the referre.
To sum up our campaign in 2 words: immensely dissapointing.
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a total cop out of an article - who cares how you got there now eh? Surely this match proves England can be a good team, if only when we eliminate the conservatism in selection and tactics that has made us the boring team of the world cup (until this match). Beckham may have 'set up' a couple of goals but hes prevented us from scoring many more or indeed being a decent team. Totally immobile and devoid of imagination - and yes, we know he's indispensable to Real Madrid but they're awful too. Imagine how many goals we could have scored if we'd had lennon on, or gambled with walcott against tiring defences. The souped up 2nd half performance had nothing to do with the pressured nature of the situation, or 10 men going down heroically, but the fact that we had different players who are able to pass and move and are simply better than their Portuguese counterparts. England don't need to go away and rebuild or practice penalties at the end of every session. They dont need a personality or big name coach, who 'can handle the egos'. They just need someone brave enough to forge a team from about the best natural product you could have. ie, not mclaren. lets start a campaign in the sun or something
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yeah we are rubbish at penalties, but at least one good thing comes out of this, baddiel and skinner get to make another world cup song!
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where is my previous post? just because I called you PIRATES it is
not posted?
What type of free press that the UK have?
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Thank goodness for that! As an Englishman living abroad I'm relieved to see our 'Sunday League' team out of the way to allow real football to take place. Sadly there were no surprises, 0-0 and a penalty defeat were on the cards after 10 minutes' play and Rooney showed what he is made of - dense material - pity it stretches above the shoulders!
No plaudits for the diving Portuguese players - an utter disgrace of a match. Roll on Brazil for some entertainment.
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Can't believe you lot blew it AGAIN. I was hoping you'd do it for once (even though I'm Welsh), but lo and behold...
I am genuinely sorry for you, because this is probably the last World Cup for half a dozen English stars, but come on - Lampard, Gerrard and Carragher's penalties were dreadful, Gerrard's whole game was a shocker, and Lampard has been poor for the whole tournament. And as for Rooney - ironic that the player you all hoped and prayed would be fit for the World Cup is the one who ruined it for you. Don't blame the referee - the decision wasn't harsh at all, and that back heel into Carvalho's nutsack was the best strike of a ball (or two) Rooney has had during the entire competition.
Never mind. At least Mr Burns has gone at last.
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Why was Crouch not on at the start?
Even with ten men we looked more threatening after he came on.
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It was the ref? This is spineless.
Just stand tall like the Australians did. They played better with 10 men on the field, it wasn't the defining moment of the game.
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England have a major psycological peoblem with pens, it's something we should take a long look at ourselves about. After the 2004 debacle a paper mentioned some interesting research about penalties, had we studied it or even devoted a bit of thought to it we could have given ourselves a better chance.
As a nation we have become anxious and neurotic and we some how hope that we'll be redeemed by our heros on the field. Yet when it comes to pens they are crushed by the weight, understandably. Some teams see pens as an oppoutunity, all our players see their future on the line everytime they step up to the plate.
The Scots are happy in the only way they ever are, shadenfraude and another ignoble nation has the bragging rites again. Don't get me started on the Swede and the boy.
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With the players he has to choose from Sven has the parts for a jet engine unfortunately with the system he chooses he builds a lawnmower.
I suppose his ides of excitement is watching paint dry.
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this game was unfair and i really do hope tht portugal dont win the WC because it then means there is no justice at all.
what they have to know ask themselves was, was it a true win? and we all know it wasnt.
ooh well...we can never win at the penalties..
come on euro cup in 2008!
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Magnanimous in defeat? You are joking? Did you not hear Alan Shearer live on the 91热爆 suggesting that Rooney should go an "stick one on Ronaldo". Utterly disgraceful.
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so - any comments that don't result in 'we wis robbed' - get cut? What happened to free speech?
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Portugal probably did not deserve to go through, but England should consider itself lucky having gone that far with that type of football. Probably they played better with when they got down to 10 men, but I have never seen a performance from England that can compare to that by Germany, Argentina, or even Spain, Mexico - teams that have already been out...Hope England will play a positive football, and then you can be sad if you lose.
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why oh why did sven take walcott if he was never goign to use him.
We have the best fans in the world we deserve more than this.
Thank god we have a english coach who cares pasionately not about his pay cheque but about the marvelous fans who deserve success.
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I think the english team has reasons to congratulate herself. They really tried very hard after Rooney was sent off. I would blame Sven Goran who wasn't able to make the most of his men, all excelent players.
It is unclear if Rooney's red card was due to stamping the portuguese player's groin or losing his temper right in the front of the referee when he pushed Ronaldo. But I would bet he was only going to be booked until he gave that shove to Ronaldo right in front of Elizondo.
But it was Ricardo who saved the day for Portugal. Ricardo Golden Hands as he is called here. He is without contestation one of the finest goalies in the world. Didn't he break any record? Was there ever a goalie in the World Cup that saved three times?
There were moments I was really convinced that the portuguese were going to lose, they weren't always at their best but, alas, penalties are England's Achilles heel.
I had predicted earlier, in this blog, that today's game would be a reprise of the quarter finals played two years ago and I wasn't convinced about Rooney's performance either. I think that was the first time in my life I predicted anything right!
Now, the sky is the limit for Portugal! If France wins today, we will have a reprise of Euro 2000 semi -finals. I hope this time we're more lucky. That year we lost to France due to a last-minute heartbreaking penaltie. Probably we will lose against the winner of the tourney, whoever that may be. Or maybe not.
Safaa
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I wanted to say a great big thanks to Sven with his tactically inept style of management and how impressed I was with how he got away with it.
And judging by Ronaldo's display of gamesmanship with a headbutt here and a wink there I think he'll do well to stay clear of the premiership and play in Spain.
Again, many thanks to Sven for taking 15 years off my life. I hope McClaren has learned a thing or two.
But negative things aside - thank you Germany for providing a great tournament and great hospitality.
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I would like to congratulate England. You hung on very well during a long part of the game with one player less. It is sad that the game had to be decided in penalties. The fact that Rooney was sent out was determinant...
I am happy for Portugal, though! :) We were also with Costinha and Deco out so, it was also good that we could pass.
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england were pussys motson and lawresance retire them, rooneyyellow red no, motson overpaid get rid, england team overpaid get rid,prima donna's.if it is was a war i would speakink french or italian,started crap finnished crap dont blame manager get rid of asbeens
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Disappointment is exactly right - yet again it's penalties that bring about england's elimiation and yet again it could have been so different...
Rooney's sending off being the main turning point - the fact that we performed so well a man light is testament to the drive of the players on the pitch, but why does it take a red card for our team to muster some desire?!
Sven's time in charge has been one of dodgey subs and what-ifs? A lot of credit must go to the successful method in which we have qualified for tournaments and the generally strong defence, but goals win tournaments - just ask Brazil - and that is what Sven seems incapable of getting our best players to do...
:(
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Just got the hang of this blogsite! We must realise our team did not play the best football today and are not renowned for being the best at penalties. During the main part of the match Portugal played excellent football. Why do our players see the need to cry on the pitch because they lost a football match, even if it was a World Cup game? Do other sportsmen and women in other sports do that when they lose a match? After all, it is a game, nobody died, and there are so many more important things in this life to worry about. I have enjoyed this world cup but really do not think that England have played as well as other teams... so we are out... I can't think too many people are that surprised. Let's move on, and find other ways to channel our energies...
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I have watched the replay of the red card incident frame by frame and cannot seem any 'deliberate' move by Rooney to hurt Carvalho. It just looked like two players tussling for the ball. But the Portugese player did make a meal of it. How come no player got yellow carded for being in the refs face ?
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is the world cup a set up????? not because we lost today but because all the ref's favour the big teams! for example brazil. its begining to make me think that it is, like today ronaldo winked at the ref at the end. well that seems suspicous to me!!!
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So we are Pirates ? LOL. I shall avoid much of a retort lest this thread decends into nationalist abuse. But from a nation which praises cheating as a high art I take that as a compliment. In fact I feel my levels of national pride returning, as long as we stay out of the gutter we have nothing to be ashamed about.
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I feel sorry for England. The English team let us see a good match. They never give up. Very exciting. It's a pity that they lost their nerves in the penalty shootout.
I wanted to see them in the finals against us. Then it would have been soon enough to loose a game. Unfortunately this will not happen. So I have to say to our friends from England: Stay ten days more in Germany. Be our guests. Enjoy the party and drink some cool German beer with us until we will be WELTMEISTER. It will be the greatest party in Europe and you should take part in it.
Greets and consolation from Germany.
See you at the Fan Fest.
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Owen Hargreave's "role" was mostly to try and break up attacks. Negative football.
I strongly dislike the way he rampages wildly towards players to try and win the ball, often clumsy in the tackle... and he's given away plenty of free kicks by doing so in this tournament.
OK.. he has an engine, but it seems to me you could have stuck any old English runner with stamina in Hargreaves place to have done about the same job.
And Hargreaves hasn't shown any ability to create...unlike say the Irishman Roy Keane, who over the years who could also win the ball, break down the attacks.... but also then choose a clever pass, distribute, create, and open up the opposition.
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I wrote at the website about how England was not going to win the World Cup. But let me say something about penalty taking.
Which is the most important penalty taker? The common knowledge is that it is the number 4 player.
This guy either wins it for the team (if the other team missed), or has to score to save the bacon if his team had missed earlier.
Smicer scored the number 4 at Liverpool's shootout against AC Milan last year. Poldolski took the number 4 for Germany yesterday.
Who did England send out as No 4? Carragher. Someone who had only been on the pitch for 3 mins, and someone who had less than a handful of goals to his name in his professional life.
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OK, guys. First regarding the red card. Here on German TV they showed the foul from all different angles and some professional referees analyzed it. You can clearly see that Rooney after getting up, kicked his left foot back intentionally. He hit Ronaldo in the genitals. No question, clearly a red. Rooney should have kept cool there and he didn't. But for the actual game it didn't really matter, because the English team did a really good job in controlling the Portugese. And I don't think you can really say anything negativ about England's defense in the whole tournament. The biggest problem of England throughout the tournament was (and it was today as well) the midfield. You have a bunch of really great players there, but somehow they didn't play that great. And the whole strategy of the England team was very disappointing, given the fact that these great players play so well in their clubs. So I beg to differ with Paul on the Eriksson comment. It was his strategy and it sucked. England played without ideas and inspiration. And as they said here on German TV: Either the team didn't listen to what he said or he said the wrong things. Either way, he is to blame and England should be glad, he's gone. Now please pick a better coach and come back next time. With these players you deserve to win, but not with this kind of play. And since I'm German, I know what I'm talking about, because our team played the same crap over the last many years. Good that Klinsmann came and brought a fresh wind into this old DFB. Will we win? Well, after yesterday I think this team might actually make it, but given the fact that Klinsmann actually built this team for the future, it doesn't matter. And if not, we'll play a new and better English team in the final in South Africa. How about that? So good bye Englad for this time. It was great having you here and (with just a handful of exceptions) your fans were great too. Hopefully this championship could at least get them to see that some of the stereotypes about Germans are not true. See you again in 2 years at the Euro 2008 and then in South Africa. Good luck until then!
BTW, Paul, I always thought Joachim Kr贸l not only to be a good actor, but also a nice person. Your experience confirms that. I hope you anyway had a good time even so England lost. And I hope you'll cover the remaining games in the same interesting and nice way as you did so far. It's always fun reading this blog.
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Ignore everyone else here. There's only one person who has made any sense in the last few weeks, and that's me.
Once Rooney was sent off, England knew the age-old script: defend "heroically, stoically, magnificently etc", narrowly fail to score on the counter, and then lose on penalties.
The only problem with the script was that had they shown a bit more enterprise, England could have won it in normal time, even without Rooney. But deep down in the English psyche, the players would rather be heroic losers than actually win the damned match. With Rooney off the pitch, Crouch gave a world-class lesson in how to perform as a lone striker; winning every ball, holding it up brilliantly, waiting for support from midfield and passing intelligently to his team-mates. Wayne Rooney, please take note. Had England thrown more men forward in support of Crouch and Lennon, I believe that England would have won the game. But somewhere inside their souls, the England players never really believed that they could win it. The Portuguese rarely threatened the England goal, even with the extra man. If there was one moment in the game where England threw in the towel, it was when Lennon was taken off for Carragher. There were two minutes left on the clock, but England signalled to Portugal that they would settle for penalties. In those two minutes, England totally lost concentration and Portugal had easily their best chances of the game.
Now, let's please abandon this nonsense that penalties are a "lottery". This is a myth that ex-footballers spread to protect players. Penalties are not down to luck. Penalties and about pressure, skill and the collective and individual character of the players. If penalties were a lottery, then Germany would not have won every penalty shoot-out in the last 25 years, and England would not have lost every penalty shoot-out in the last 25 years (with the exception of the Spain game in Euro 96). England did not lose because penalties are a matter of luck, they lost because Lampard, Gerrard and Carragher all took terrible penalties. Not because they are bad players, but because in the heat of the moment, when the world's spotlight was on them, they lost their nerve. And it seems to me that this is less to do with individual pressure, and more to do with something deeply flawed in the English sporting character. How appropriate that England's only scorer was Hargreaves, raised in Canada and schooled in Germany.
So, now the post-mortem begins. I have been a support of Eriksson, but his selections and tactics were terrible from the start. But his reign is over, and England must learn. It's also worth remembering that while the press will take great delight in slagging off Sven (and Beckham), they will patriotically overlook the failings of certain players. Already, the Match of the Day team were refusing to blame Rooney for his hot-headedness and petulance and claiming that his frustration came from playing out of position. Yes, he was frustrated, but he must take responsibility for his actions. Lampard was England's worst player in the tournament by some distance. Over five games, he did not contribute one telling tackle, pass or shot. And given that the formation of the team was adjusted to accomodate his partnership with Gerrard, it was a woeful series of displays. When he stepped up to take the penalty, I think that everyone in England knew that he would miss it. As David Beckham must someday learn penalties are not about individual redemption, they are about collective success.
Beckham has probably played his last game for England, and it's sad that a man who has contributed so much should end his career with a whimper, but it's time for him to go, and in Lennon England have a player with equal (but very different) quality.
One final word should go to Ronaldo, whose behaviour over the course of the match was shameful. Of course the press will lambast him, and rightly so. But I have the sneaking feeling that until English players learn to be just as sneaky, savvy, sly and unsporting, they will continue to be heroic losers. I'd rather that they won for a change.
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I think England played real well after Rooneys sending off. However, penalties are part and parcel of major competions and England can't convert them. They have no one to blame but themselves!
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As a United fan I hope we sell Ronaldo to the Madrid Circus to do his tricks and dive about, his attitude makes me sick, his reaction got Rooney sent off, pure and simple.
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It's hard to tell but just before the push on Ronaldo the ref was starting to wave everyone else away - Rooney was was definitely going to get a card. The secondary action right in front of the ref was the clincher. He had to go.
I actually discussed this matter with a friend prior ro the game - I referred back to Beckham in France '98 and hinted that the Portuguese shenanigans may set off Rooney's very short fuse. Rooney has got into a number of scrapes with referees this season, and he never seems to learn from his mistakes. You can take the chav out of the estate, but you cannot take the estate mentality out of the chav.
I was pleased for Owen Hargreaves though - he showed what he does for Bayern week in week out. It's a crying shame that he is not appreciated by the majority of England fans - he would have been a welcome addition to the Germany squad had he opted to play for the Mannschaft.
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England were terrible, predictable but terrible. sack everyone and start again. as always the idea must be "to pass it back to the keeper"
there was no attacking to try and score and when there was peter crouch was left on his own in the portugal half.
it's no suprise rooney was sent off and who needs him anyway? theo walcott never seen a game so sven's "golden boy" never got to play.
get an english manager instead of foreign dreamers who show no emotion on the side lines.
england need to "play to win" instead of "keep the attackers at bay"
that way we might win something. we need the 1966 attitude but for some reason we haven't got it. lampard should not have played and lennon should have played from the start and should definately not have been taken off for the cowboy who replaced him.
who knows? lennon might have scored in penalty's.
anyway, play to win and keep the fans happy!!!!
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Every time. Every ****ing time. Hargreaves was fantasic, even Beckham had a good 46 minutes, but we all know that England and knockout competitions don't mix.
I have just returned from the outdoor screening at Munich's Olympic Stadium. Thanks to the anonymous Germans who bought me a commiseratory glass of beer tonight, and thanks to everybody else who have hosted, and will continue to host, a fantastic competition.
Until next time...
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@Post #41:
Portugal won't win the world cup. Excuse me, but the real final took place yesterday afternoon. Those who beat Argentinia, definitely one of the strongest teams of this tournament, will get the cup!
Also: 54 x 74 - 1990 = 2006
BUT: England was the better team today and you would have deserved to proceed. From deep down in my heart I would have done anything for an England vs. Germany final... But just like all the other years we're probably gonna end up playing Brasil again. Why don't we just fly in for the final in 2010? Would save us a lot of money...
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Well another early exit, and I think when the dust has settled we have to face facts. Their is no doubt we have the talent as far as players go, but our management was poor and I feel will continue to be so with our new man having accomplished next to nothing before being handed the job.
We had our first penalty taker, who prior to the game was reported to be suffering from a lack of confidence, and we had another penalty kick taken by a guy who was barely warmed up.
Their are no excuses for this defeat, if Rooney can't control his character, then his ball control is of little consequence.
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I am a Canadian who is a huge Manchester United and German National Team fan. Those of you who support England need to realize that no England player has stepped up in a big Tournament since Linekar in 1986. Lampard, Gerrard and Beckham let you down. NOT THE REF!!
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Of course disappointed but also of course not surprised. It did seem Ronaldos sheer intent was not only to get a fellow professional sent off but also a team mate!
Having watched Portugal in two games v us and Holland they have put me off football at least the international version. I am sorry winning the Ronaldo way is simply not worth the candle. You can understand if his team cheat in this way over a simple game of football why with such people in the world there are so many conflicts.That is what I find saddest.
I am sorry I am unable to wish Portugal well: I think R has played his last ever game for Man U: he will be no loss.
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Why does it take a catastrophe like that rubbish sending off to get the England team attacking and playing with some passion and spirit?
Owen Hargreaves was everywhere the whole game, just superb and thats how you want everyone to play in a quarter final. Lampard was atricious back passes, missed chances, negative and just a liability. Unfotunately Steven Gerrard had only a fair game and the injury to Beckham just highlighted the potential of Lennon. If he had had more service and been brought on more with 11 players he could have made a difference shame Beckham and Lampard could never be substituted for dips of form. Overall I still hold my head up high as an Englishman and I tend to think that Sven could have done things so differently, he deserves everything he is going to get. It wasn't unfortunate England were still quite lame until they had a sense of purpose and that is the manager.
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I think it is fair to say that England deserved nothing from the game. Rooney stamped on Carvalho deliberatly. Our penalties were poor and once again we played poorly. So our defending was sound! Where were the efforts to score a goal. We laud our league as the most direct single minded league, but when it comes to it, we lack ability. Lampard...poor, Beckham poor.... Eriksson...poor! We need a massive shake up in personel and in mentality.
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Hargtreaves was class - reminded me of Bryan Robson at his best. What planet was Erikson on bringing on Carragher 2 minutes before penalities when he had the likes of Carrick and Jenas on the bench. BTW I was shouting this in the pub way before Carragher bombed out. Once again the Swede lost his head when all around him the Englan player were keeping theirs.
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Yet again. Why is it impossible for England to win a penalty shoot-out? Having been disappointed on so many previous occasions I had no expectations today when we failed to finish it in normal and then extra time. Having said that I hoped, prayed and employed every possible positive thought to no avail. What do all the shops do with their ample supply of England stuff now? One newsagents I visited today, before the match, already had their flags etc marked down. Get what we expect?
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i agree, nausea is the overwhelming feeling that one gets from these situations. And disgust at the actions of certain Portuguese players, namely Ronaldo. what was he thinking? here in England it was tense enough. my family aren't football fans, but they were shouting and screaming like everyone else in the street. it's that tension and passion that can be so rewarding if you win, i guess. Penalties is no way to go out of a competition, but it was the decision to send rooney off that wound me up. the referee's body language suggested to me that he hadn't seen it, and reacted to what ronaldo was saying to him. and that is why foreign teams will always get the better of us in these situations. by cheating, by being underhand. and we wll never achieve, because we try to play with dignity and sportsmanship. it's a sad life, really. still, chin up, there's always next time...
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Sorry to see you go. I'll miss the English game and fans.
You may not have played at at your best level, but so has everybody else.
Even though England has to leave too early, I believe that England and her magnificant fans are amongst the winners in the German public opinion.
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Hehe, Joachim Krol - a good actor indeed...and a BIIIG Borussia Dortmund supporter btw.
Must admit I was hoping for a Portugal win but after the sending off I caught myself rooting for England - never ever thought that would happen, great fight...
Man, I was damn sure the lads would win the penalty shootout - seems I forgot it's ENGLAND ;-)...
But to be honest, England was damn poor in this tournament. Awful, awful football - nopace, no movement.
High expectations and all this "we know we can play better" talk...problem was guys: NO, you obviously can't!!!
If this game showed us one thing than that David Beckham simply doesn't belong in the starting lineup anymore - Lennon was faaaar better. I don't know why SGE kept starting him - let's hope McLaren has the balls to play Lennon or Gerrard on the right, Beckham is done. Scoring with a freekick once in a while just isn't enough anymore.
And what the hell was the "coach" thinking playing only Rooney up front - the boys damn good when he attacks the goal with pace from midfield but he was left alone...and why the hell was Walcott in the squad, Sven???
SGE legacy: 3 tournaments, 3 quarterfinal defeats and a terrible "farewell" tournament - I doubt that SGE knew what he was doing the last few weeks...
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Sorry to say that this defeat suits you well after all that display of arrogance in your newspapers. We may be a small and insignificant country but we did not forge interviews, or make up news to interfere with players concentration. Your tabloid articles did everything possible to put us down, your defeat is well deserved. You have a lot of thinking to do...
Viva Portugal!
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I feel GREAT that's it's over and maybe all the hype will end - and a little modesty will appear? Na - english arrogance will continue I fear. Make youor excuses all you like - at no time did england look like champions -
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A valiant show in the final half an hour, but alas the last performance of Eriksson's reign was symptomatic of the same problems. England cannot seem to win a game outright within ninety minutes when it matters the most. A combination of complacency and self-destruction once again left their ugly features on what was an otherwise enthralling encounter. Rooney's dismissal finally seemed to act as the cue to go forward and be daring, but why wait until we are at a significant disadvantage? Not to mention the earlier withdrawal of Beckham and the injury-stricken Owen. Truly great teams press forward and score with the intention of then controlling the game, that's what wins World Cups. Great defending to keep the scoreline level does matter, but Rooney was in need of a strike partner to play off and should not have come back so deep to collect the ball, which led to his entanglement and its unfortunate outcome. England, with the quality of players at their disposal, should not simply soak up the pressure and then rely on the lottery of penalties. The renewed urgency of the attack in the wake of the sending-off demonstrated what was possible all along, but sadly failed to materialise, throughout most of this tournament.
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>> ana
WRONG there was no jingoism in our papers and all the press said that it could go either way. The idea that the press was slating Portugal was put about by Scalari to motive his troops and supporters. Crappy mind games, ho hum.
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Andrew, you say you detest football but still claim to an expert on the rules.
Robinson is perfectly entitled to move before the penalty is taken, that rule has changed a few years back, hence Jerzy Dudek's antics for Liverpool in the Champions League final.
I saw no malice in the stamp by Rooney, it looked accidental to me.
And I can perfectly understand Rooney's reaction to Ronaldo, this was someone he knows well, someone who's meant to be his friend, trying to get him sent off. That has got to be the ultimate football betrayal.
If it wasn't for the push on Ronaldo , Rooney would have stayed on, the Ref wasn't even looking at Rooney before that, he would have got a yellow max.
And before Rooney was off, there were already signs England were taking the upper hand, Lennon terrorising their defence and Rooney scuffing his left foot shot.
Even with 10 men England looked to be the better side, much more likely to score. That takes the sting away from the defeat, if England had lost without doing anything it would have been terrible. But with 10 men the team pulled together and we got nearly an hour of brave defending and more ambition in attack than Portugal ever had.
Well done England.
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On the whole, a bunch of bottlers. Typical England. Glad to see the back of Eriksson.
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Pity we never got to see Crouch and Rooney together in this game. Didn't think Portugal had much to offer even when 11 on 10.
Rooney's red card was harsh. But his reputation precedes him
As for Ronaldo. The 'wink' said it all.
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We are not good enough - we are a nation of losers and that is how it is.
Why is Steve Mclaren the new manager? we should have got a winner involved in there. The FA are a waste of time and so are England. PATHETIC.
Very poor indeed and we need a serious re-think.
Rant over, probably won't be posted but needs to be adressed. now
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Here we go, some people - not only here - already start blaming the referee again.
Here's hope the tabloid press doesn't mess with this and start a campaign against the ref with the result of Death threats like two years ago...if so the Fifa/Uefa should consider banning England from future tournaments, that's something totally unacceptable.
Urs Meier went through hell for a totally correct call at the EC 04 and you can debate wether it was red or not - some will say yes and some no but it's certainly not a blown call, period.
The lads went out in style - unlike the damn Argies yesterday - and the press should take notice and behave although I highly doubt that.
To the poster who criti the Fifa for putting a n Argentinian in charge of the game: What the hell are you talking about??? If we have to take something like 20 years old wars into consideration than we can stopinternational football...what's up with people these days, is it always the Refs fault!? Yesterday the Argentinians blamed the ref - for what??? Lubos Michel had a pretty good game and now some English fans start blaming the Fifa, the ref - come ooon...
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I think Frank Lampard was a disagrace to the England team his performance was awful he should be drop for future games.
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England V Portugal
In the half time blog of the same title (England v Portugal)stating my reservations about the the argentinioan Ref and the outcome of the game based on the Malvinos Ilsands (The falklands to you and me).
I wonder why a penalsty wasn't given when the england player was bought down in the box, Wayne Rooney was sent off, and no yellow card, and the penalty shootout goal was disallowed after the whistle was blown?
I believe it was to give the Portugese the most opportunity of winning as Possible and aid the portugese goalie in knowing wich way the striker would shoot on the second attempt.
I have watched every match so far and seen some real crappy ref decisions, english refs included, its time a sub ref was an option and probable corrupt refs replaced with neutral refs.
this would ensure a fair game, just refuse to play until the ref was replaced.
how can two americans be sent off ruining a probable good game? and bring on Assisted TV like in rugby?
Stop this rubbish refereeing, im sure all countries would agree to that. if your real crap then lose but lose fair thats not alot to ask.
Well I guessed right, we lost, but im proud of the England Team, playing admirably a loaded game with only ten men, well done.
What now, well seeing our Royal Family is of Germasn Origin, Come on Germany I suppose, we look forward to seeing you in the European cup, remember 5-0, we do LOL
you hosted a good tornament, well
done!!!!.
In Athletics a cheating team would be stripped all its medals, when Maradonna admitted and apologised for the infamous hand of god, why wasnt the Agrentinian team stripped of their medals , they did after all cheat, no different to taking steroids is it.
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why should we be magnanimous in defeat? is that the'english' way? i suggest that fletch has been watching too many b movies re 'stiff upper lip' and all that. We were beaten by a bunch of divers and simulators. If thats what it takes, why not just give up the world cup altogether, because we just can't get past teams who do that. It was disgusting to watch..ronaldo's wink to the bench..the rolling over and over, where to end the litany of simulation? On the portuguese blog 'if you ain't cheating, you're not trying'. Is this where football's heading? If so I'm supporting Kampala United from now on. FIFA a disgrace, and their referees too.
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Iv heard a lot of criticism about england performances and i felt i had to speak against it. It wasnt so long ago u wer all slagging Hargreaves off and look how he played today! How can any1 fault any of the england players after a performance where they gave 110% and so nearly won it. Even with ten men we looked more like scoring. It was Ricardo who saved Portugal today not a portuguese team effort. At the end of the day those england players played with every bit of grit they possesed and while i am bitterly disappointed i cant help but feel proud of how we performed. This coming from a 15 year old while most of you are whining like babies.
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Sorry to say that this defeat suits you well. Especially your arrogant and malicious press.
I hope you learn your lesson - never underestimate others. You're not that good!
Viva Portugal
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Hargreaves was the best for England. Interesting that he would play his best game today, on Canada Day, as he is from Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
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why was my post taken off? because i said that 'if you're not cheating you're not trying' states the portuguese SOUL? I took that straight from apost match portuguese blogger.
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@Madelaine (#78): Why England can't win a PK shootout? Well number one, by now after all these years of lost shoot outs, most likely it's a mental problem. But number two, it's a problem of the coach. It is a well known fact here in Germany that the coaches tell our players to shoot in the upper half of the goal. No matter where. Because there most kicks actually score. And if you look at the goal keepers, you can see why. They focus on one side and fall down there hoping to catch the ball. So if you play low, you're for sure safer (again, mental problem!), but the goalie is more likely to catch it. And ALL English players today played low. So I guess another point I need to add to my Eriksson-mistake-list. BTW, just to give you an idea on the German PK tactics from yesterday. Their were discussing all over German TV today what was on Lehmann's little piece of paper he got out before every PK. There are two opinions. #1, for each player a preferred corner for PKs. #2, nothing at all and it was just to confuse the players (what's he reading about me? well I always shoot to the right, so lets shoot to the left today...) No matter what it was, it was just great PK tactics. And that's why Germany wins these shoot-outs and England doesn't. But I'm sure at one point this curse will break. So as I said ealier, I hope we see you again soon. And thanks to England's players for showing better sportsmanship after the game than Argentina yesterday. Ronaldo on the other hand... well. Oh and to the Portugese fans her: phantastic goal keeper you have there.
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To Ana, you weren't that good either, worse in fact..Ronaldo's wink all that saved you. If I was portuguese tonight i wouldn't be able to hold my head up and look anybody in the eye..
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GUTTED (again).
England were great, my only criticism, against a team with 5 players on yellow cards, you've got to run at players more.
Thought the Rooney red card was diabolical. The Man U training ground is going to be an interesting place to be as they return for pre-season training.
England til I die
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censored.. the bbc are a bunch of national socialists.. and censorship goebbels would be proud of.
Jesse Owens.. and a France win for the world cup, who are you kidding? Obviously everyone..
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one thing I'll be glad about, and i haven't much tonight to be glad about,is that there'll be an end to the interminable sven - haters,celts and other axe grinders lining up to take shots at honorable men doing their best in difficult and pressurised circumstances. Thanks guys, you won in the end and may the good lord have mercy on your souls. satisfied now?
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Just saw this nice quote from Eriksson - The greatest barrier to success is the fear of failure.
If only Sven was as good a football manager as a philosopher.
England failed (despite all the talk about practicing shootout) because the players feared.
Lampard feared. Gerrard feared. Beckham feared. The Englisg team collectively feared failure.
Not only the English. Ronaldino in this world cup feared more than the Ronaldino we saw 4 years ago.
Zidane looked like a man freed from the shackles of expectation and played some wonderful stuff.
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You Just Kick a Ball and Score, where is the Foul in That?
So why make Carragher take it again?
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First time Eng-er-land come up against a half-decent side and they lose. No more excuses please.
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Personally, I think the whole match was pretty fair. Even Rooney's red card. Both teams were very strong and penalties were the only way to see who was best. Just a shame England are just not as good at penalties as the rest of the world. But hey, 4 years to go. Plenty of time to practise. By the way, I really don't think Rooney would have made a difference.
Let's just hope those England fans in Germany will leave Gelsenkirchen without trashing the place.
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^ I saw this within minutes of match ending.
Sad, but in honesty we did have a very underperforming World Cup under Sven's tactics, playing one striker upfront, and Frank Lampost clearly being totally out of form.
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It's all very disaapointing and England never showed any class, so we can't complain. But FIFA have to think long and hard about how to punish the cynicism that has characterised this tournament. We saw Ronaldo "headbut" his club colleague Rooney before kick off, wind him up, get him sent off, then wink to his bench when having already agitated for a move from his club. We have seen countless players diving holding their faces when they have at worst been pushed in the chest. FIFA has a choice - whether to reward cheats or fair play. The long term popularity of the game is at stake if, in the end, tournaments are decided largely on the whims of referees and which side can manipulate officials the best. If you can ban someone retrospectively for violent conduct the referee did not see, why shouldn't you ban someone for blatant cheating?
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Once again our over paid footballers fail to deliver. Is it the coach? Are they just losers? My biggest problem watching the whole tournament is the endemic cheating that goes on. Lets roll around on the floor, scream at the referee because he has made a decision or because someone has looked at them funny. It is a game played by massively over paid children. FIFA is a joke, run by a fat, toothless crook. We should all just give up on it.
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Once again our over paid footballers fail to deliver. Is it the coach? Are they just losers? My biggest problem watching the whole tournament is the endemic cheating that goes on. Lets roll around on the floor, scream at the referee because he has made a decision or because someone has looked at them funny. It is a game played by massively over paid children. FIFA is a joke, run by a fat, toothless crook. We should all just give up on it. Beautiful? My arse.
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can't see ronaldo and rooney playing together for much longer, gary neville will have something to say too i bet. Let's hope that rooney goes back to old trafford and in shearer's words, 'sticks one on him'. Shame, i like his play but not his dirty tactics. Portugal has taken football and dragged it through the, well i'll say mud though you know what i mean
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VIVA PORTUGAL!!!!!!!
Don't blame no one but yourselves!
WE'VE MADE IT!
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Well another early exit, and I think when the dust has settled we have to face facts. Their is no doubt we have the talent as far as players go, but our management was poor and I feel will continue to be so with our new man having accomplished next to nothing before being handed the job.
We had our first penalty taker, who prior to the game was reported to be suffering from a lack of confidence, and we had another penalty kick taken by a guy who was barely warmed up.
Their are no excuses for this defeat, if Rooney can't control his character, then his ball control is of little consequence.
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To Raquel, made what? piss poor performance, couldn't even score a goal against a 10 man england in open play. France, who've just won, will take you apart. vive la france!
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England V Portugal
In the half time blog of the same title (England v Portugal)stating my reservations about the the argentinian Ref and the outcome of the game based on the Malvinos Ilsands (The falklands to you and me).
I wonder why a penalty wasn't given when the england player was bought down in the box, Wayne Rooney was sent off, and no yellow card, and the penalty shootout goal was disallowed after the whistle was blown?
I believe it was to give the Portugese the most opportunity of winning as Possible and aid the portugese goalie in knowing wich way the striker would shoot on the second attempt.
I have watched every match so far and seen some real crappy ref decisions, english refs included, its time a sub ref was an option and probable corrupt refs replaced with neutral refs.
this would ensure a fair game, just refuse to play until the ref was replaced.
how can two americans be sent off ruining a probable good game? and bring on Assisted TV like in rugby?
Stop this rubbish refereeing, im sure all countries would agree to that. if your real crap then lose but lose fair thats not alot to ask.
Well I guessed right, we lost, but im proud of the England Team, playing admirably a loaded game with only ten men, well done.
What now, well seeing our Royal Family is of German Origin, Come on Germany I suppose, we look forward to seeing you in the European cup, remember 5-0, we do LOL
you hosted a good tornament, well
done!!!!.
In Athletics a cheating team would be stripped all its medals, when Maradonna admitted and apologised for the infamous hand of god, why wasnt the Agrentinian team stripped of their medals , they did after all cheat, no different to taking steroids is it.
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World cup 2006 in brief.
Match one England underperform things can only get better.
Match two England underperform things can only get better.
Match three England underperform things can only get better.
Second round England underperform things can only get better.
Quarter finals England underperform, last game as manger for Sven, THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER.
It ain't commin home yet and playing like eleven dustmen from Wigan it never will. If they had played exciting football and lost no complaints but this... bah!
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I second all the comments about cheating. If people rolled around like that after minimal contact on the rugby field they'd be laughed out of the game. or hockey. or cricket. or tennis. or any other sport, come to think of it. but it is something about the nature of football, and particularly football in other countries, that encourages cheating. I hope i'm not being racist by stating this, but it would be rare to see an English player diving or simulating injury, or clamouring to get an opponent sent off. Maybe there have been. And the majority of foreign players in the English leagues do not do this on a week in week out basis in league time, it just seems to be either in european or international competitions. We don't see a lot of Ronaldo acting like that when he plays for Manchester United, so why should he suddenyl start as soon as he plays for Portugal? is it the manager? the climate of world cup? the ethos of the national team? I'm sure he wasn't alone in that game in corrupting thee rules, but he was an obvious example. The whole Argentina outburst yesterday was also redolent of the culture of cheating and bad sportsmanship that seems to dog that country. Disgusting, the way they kicked Mertesacker's leg and cut it, after the game had already been decided. I'm hoing Sepp Blatter isn't cowed by the cheats and actually stands up to them. Argentina should face punishment for their actions, and Ronaldo should be punished retrospectively for his actions. I actually had a degree of respect for Portugal prior to this game - they certainly didn't cheat their way past us in Euro 2004, but it was a shame they had to resort to that tonight. Not that we played well and were robbed, we were pretty awful with 11 men, and only became galvanised when we thought it might all go down the pan. Erikssons tactics of hit and hope are outdated, better suited to Norway and Jack Charlton's Ireland. We rushed every pass, never played the safe option and retained possession, and Rooney was too keen to show that he 'still had it'. if he'd played with the team, then he may not have become frustrated, which in turn would have stopped the Portuguese players from targeting him. he showed signs of frustration, and that is all that an opponent needs to see to hatch their masterplan of winding you up. It was a shame that is had to end that way. And what was the point of Sven bringing Theo Walcott if he never played him? That limited his options and meant that we had to resort to Crouch. rouchworked so hard, but he didn't have pace when we needed it. The only real positive from that match was that Owen Hargreaves finally fitted into a syste for England, rather than coming on as a negative substitute. I question whether Sven's heart was really in it. Every Englishman (and woman) grows up with the dream of England winning the world cup, and wishes they were a part of that. To think that his heart was not really in the matter, even in the slighest way, sickens me. Passion was what was needed. And Eriksson does not have an ounce of passion. Ian Wright and Alan Ball had it. Rio Ferdinand and Owen Hargreaves had it. however many thousand England fans in the stadium had it in abundance. I should imagine the vast majority of people reading this have it. The calm, subdued approach to tournaments has got to stop. get behind the team, the team you've picked. tell them to go out there and play for the same reasons you asked for the job in the first place. I only saw Sven leave his seat once, compared to Scolari, who never seemed to be in it at all. McLaren was out of it far more than Sven, who might as well have been sitting in the stands.
On the plus side, at least there's been no racist chanting this tournament, or at least i haven't heard of any yet!
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Ian, 'animal' is probably the right word.i'm a traveller and contrary to what you think (based on what? guardian reports?) the english are well-liked wherever i've travelled and i've never had aproblem. I never cease to marvel at how the English are capable of self-criticism, but when it strays into hatred of your own then maybe its time to realise you have a problem that needs to be assessed. Maybe its you who needs to learn a lesson, England were great tonight.
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I think everyone needs to calm down.
I'm as gutted as everyone else, but at the end of the day we did not do enough to go through.
We are great at hanging on, but what for if we just roll over when the pressure is on?
Sven has been ok for us, give the guy a break.
Holland/Argentina/Spain/Brazil are all out yet they are good teams.
Can only be one winner but 31 losers.
I for one hope the Germans win it. Been great hosts and have played with passion.
The 91热爆 pundits/press have been a disgrace and as an English man I feel embarrassed, whom do I write a letter too about that? :)
Ronaldo yes was out of order, but Roony did not have to react, let鈥檚 not dwell on calling people cheats.
Where is des and the old Kipling poem when you need him.
France/German final I hope.
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It was a feeling of deja vu mate, you are spot on. I wish England were spot on, but enough about puns. The fundamental failings, in my opinion, was Sven's omission of Defoe rather than Walcott. This came through in the game as a bit of pace would have worried Portugal, yet only Lennon really provided it. Another issue which helped to stack the odds against England was the petulance and tenacity of young Rooney which helped him see red. Rooney was tireless against Ecaudor and would have certainly provided much needed passion and impetus, which only surfaced after the Rooney red card.
Thus, it was left to the Russian Roulette of penalites to see us out again, de ja vu as you said. I feel sorry for the fans personally I felt that we were let down by bad management - in terms of individual merits the players are world class in their own right, but in synergy terms they never complimneted each other.
I hate to dial-a-cliche but next time eh?
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Yes, let's be pleased for France. Why? Because they beat Brazil, and in doing so, reminded the world that football is about football, not hype and reputations. The amount of nonsense written about Brazil has been astonishing. The English press, in particular ooh and ahh every time a Brazilian gets the ball, failing to notice that Ronaldo, Adriano, Ronaldinho etc have been astonishingly average. Before the tournament people were asking if this could be the event that catapults Ronaldinho into the realm of Pele and Maradona. No. There was one truly world-class star on show today, but he was playing for France and was called Zinedine Zidane.
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What we are failing to mention is that time after time, the players that we watch week in week out terrorising premiership defences, turn up with three lions on their shirt and fail to perform to any sort of standard. We are reflecting on the fact that England were strong when reduced to 10 men with 60 minutes remaining and performed well, when actually they have been weak against all the opposition at this world cup including 60 minutes into the Portugal game.
How many more times do we have to watch over paid players and coaches guide us to underachievement in a European/world cup tournament.
i feel like giving up watching England play football because i know ultimately that we will fail each time. This time though we did it with the most talented team England have churned out but with the dampest squib.
Depressing
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I have just taken a bus back home from Clapham to home. En route I was subjected to possibly the worst face rubbing I have ever encountered - going through the area with the largest Portuguse community in the UK. I cannot express how angry I am with yet another dirty portugal victory (I refer to their knock-out round form, not specifically to their encounters with England).I hope France trounce them. I really do...
As is typical with this world cup, best performance so far and we're out...
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Typical, Fickle! The guy has just summed himself up! "we wait months to make sure Rooney is fit then it was better if he wasn't there as at least we would have 11 on the pitch"!!! As an MUFC fan, it is this narrow mindedness of england fans that has turned me to spurn the country for so long, however this World Cup I thought I would do the patriotic bit and join the gang, and what fun I was having!! I was cheering more than most when JT threw his body at a tackle or Stevie G lined one up from 30 yards but no doubt tomorrow the press will reflect on how MUFC cost us the WC again! On this point though, as a Man Yoo fan, I never want to see Ronaldo ( the fake one ) wear the red again, as far as I am concerned he can go on a free to City for all I care, hell they can even throw Fletcher in!!!! Never seen anything as criminally back stabbing as that in my life!!! Give him to Bolton, Let's get Aaron lennon in......or even Zinedine Kilbane!!!!
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England lost, had no excuse (because Germany beat the Favourites at the same temperatures) and are the team that should have gone out long ago, not because the Portugese played better, but because the English played badly throuout the tournament.
The English results have nothing to do with penalties, it is to do with not playing well in the previous 120 minutes. If you are not hard enough, don't ask for it.
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Who needs argentinian ref's,portuguese divers and simulators, etc etc when some of the english on this board are the worst 5th columnists i've ever encountered? Jez, neil, wilfy,tim the red wilson etc ad nauseam. Reminds me of an australian joke: how do you know when a plane from england has just landed? the whining carries on after the engines have stopped! Get a life or get behind your team, for god's sake.
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yesterday, all of you, were singing...don麓t cry for me Argentina.. and today... what are you going to sing ?
Sorry, see you in 4 years. We will be waiting....
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I would be embarresed & ashamed to be one of the 6 pundits / commenatators on 91热爆 TV tonight i did not hear what was said after the game tonight as i had already switched To radio five live commentry by that time.
I do not believe England have played to the there potential in this tournament but at half time today i was shocked to hear lineaker , Shearer , Wright and Hansen all slate the English team. To me it came across as four blokes who can not see the wood for the trees due to personal vendettas against Sven. We had played poorly up to today but unless it was the Magners kicking in we were at least good if not very good in the First half today and more than matched Portugal in every dept.
We have gone out and to my mind underachieved partly down to players partly down to management but unlike games before ( Brazil 92 & Portugall 94 )England deserved to win today and played better than Portugal. I did not see this reflected by any of the bbc team.
My request to the 91热爆 if anyone reads this blog. Doubt it as im just another drunk England fan in a bad mood probably, but if you can track it look at the number of people who switched to five live commentary via the red button. I hope for England and Foootball fans sake it proves how bad the performance of the all the 91热爆 commentary team were. If the teams job was to win the world cup then the 91热爆 teams job was to get behind the team whilst giving balanced opinion and insight. I think the players came alot closer to doing there job than the 91热爆 team ever did in this tournament.
does anyone agree with me or is it the Magners ? if its the Magners sorry Gary , super Al , Wrighty & Al. Motty and lawro can do one whatever as it was just to painful to comprehend.
p.s does anyone else think Zidane is the best player to play the game ?
Night
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Well, today's results completely poo-pooh the conspiracy theorists and the idea that it was all set up for a Germany v England final.
Hoping for a Germany v France final, with Fermany to take it 3-1.
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>>>I'm as gutted as everyone else
Hey - I'm not gutted at all - get a life - the world doesn't revolve around englands crap footoeteam.
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>>>We played with our hearts and souls in the last 30 minutes
but the game is 90 mind - and you were crap the rest of he time! so you lost!
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I said before the World Cup, that England would NOT win the World Cup under Eriksson. I don't want to " I told you so" but the writing was on the wall at the last World Cup!!
He didn't change anything when he had Brazil down to 10 men.
He has won NOTHING with England.
He's got some great players BUT he keeps changing the team ALL the time.
These are footballers NOT brain surgeons!!
They lost this before the cup even started.
Thank God, he's gone forever!!!
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Did Frank Lampard do anything right in this world cup?
At least he would not have won any award for cheating. That must go to the Portugal side.
In fact the amount of cheating and conning of the ref by so many teams has been one of the real dis-appointments of this tournament.
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I would be embarresed & ashamed to be one of the 6 pundits / commenatators on 91热爆 TV tonight i did not hear what was said after the game tonight as i had already switched To radio five live commentry by that time.
I do not believe England have played to the there potential in this tournament but at half time today i was shocked to hear lineaker , Shearer , Wright and Hansen all slate the English team. To me it came across as four blokes who can not see the wood for the trees due to personal vendettas against Sven. We had played poorly up to today but unless it was the Magners kicking in we were at least good if not very good in the First half today and more than matched Portugal in every dept.
We have gone out and to my mind underachieved partly down to players partly down to management but unlike games before ( Brazil 92 & Portugall 94 )England deserved to win today and played better than Portugal. I did not see this reflected by any of the bbc team.
My request to the 91热爆 if anyone reads this blog. Doubt it as im just another drunk England fan in a bad mood probably, but if you can track it look at the number of people who switched to five live commentary via the red button. I hope for England and Foootball fans sake it proves how bad the performance of the all the 91热爆 commentary team were. If the teams job was to win the world cup then the 91热爆 teams job was to get behind the team whilst giving balanced opinion and insight. I think the players came alot closer to doing there job than the 91热爆 team ever did in this tournament.
does anyone agree with me or is it the Magners ? if its the Magners sorry Gary , super Al , Wrighty & Al. Motty and lawro can do one whatever as it was just to painful to comprehend.
p.s does anyone else think Zidane is the best player to play the game ?
Night
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First, thanks to the English fans who posted these nice comments about us hosting this championship. I personally can say that I have nothing to complain about the English fans and that they were really nice guys to have around. I think there's enough said about Erkisson and Rooney etc. Also the fact the Portugal's behaviour was a disgrace against Netherlands and also Ronaldo today didn't behave like a real sportsman. And let's not even talk about some of the Argentinies yesterday. I understand that the players are under a lot of pressure, but maybe they should learn from the fans. I saw Germans comfort Argentiniens. Same with others. It didn't matter who they were cheering for, in the end they all just had a lot of fun and a big party here and the players should adopt this attitude over their diving (Ronaldo just did the same and also got a free kick for it... didn't help them), cheating etc. So looking at the last teams left, I want Germany to win against Italy (after all I'm German ;-) and France against Portugal (way more style, fairness and also I like to see Zizu in the final). Germany - France. Would be a nice final. But no matter what, I'll just enjoy the last 4 games and continue to have fun and try to be a good host. See you guys next time...
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with u there, talbs..sven haters all out of the woodwork..already the hunt for scapegoats has started..and bbc commentators to the fore in the witch hunt..england played well, only ricardo stopped them. Wheres the shame in that?
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You should be glad you are out of the competition... I watched the game against paraguy in London and people were embarrassed then. When I watched England on the fanfest in Hamburg, most england fans were dressed up as Equadorians (pictures supplied on request) because they would not seen dead as England supporters.
Even Blatter, who was installed by the British, because they thought it would get them to host the WC, was disgusted by the team... Kaiser Franz had to put in a good word for them.
Get over it, get Wemberley back up (which was demolished after Germany won 1-0 and which will soon be ready for some footie games if you can deal with your australian contractors) and start again. From Scratch. It worked for some other teams...
And stop whinging...
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I don't understand how people can be so negative towards the English because of our tabloids - they're only geeing us up for our side and anything other than that is just rubbish to fill space... from 'rockstar ate my hamster' to 'double decker found in the artic'. Try reading our broadsheets from time to time, granted you may go to sleep but it'll give a better estimation of what the English public really think.
and making up links is fun
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hey, lets look on the bright side! Thierry Henry sure wiped that stupid grin off Ronaldinho's face! And I've been waiting some time for that. Superb french performance and over hyped Brazil are out..at last.
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Ok, gutted with the outcome... but I'll get over it.
I just want to say I think the MOTD pundits at half time were an absolute disgrace. Criticising Hargreaves?! WTF?Were they watching a different game? Our best player (and the best on the pitch by a mile) by a mile. Oh I forgot Ian Wright still hasn't got over his son being selected ahead of him.
Shearer - "Rooney should 'stick one on'" Ronaldo. Inciting violence on the Beeb. Ok. Rooney was stupid, he deserved to get sent off, he knew what he was doing.
Please (sack) comment on these "pundits". They have been terrible throughout this World Cup. Just because you were once a decemnt footballer doesn't automatically mean you are any good at analysing a game...
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>>>I am shocked and appalled at the dreadful job the referee did with this game.
why? because you lost - I bet there wouldn't be any complaints against the ref if your 'world calss' players could have found the net!
BTW I also bet the EBC (91热爆) would have put on the news after the match if england had one!
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>>>>I hope you learn your lesson - never underestimate others. You're not that good!
BUT THEY WON'T - BECAUSE THEY ARE SO BLOODY ARROGANT. ENGLAND really NEEDED TAKING DOWN A PEG. GREAT WORK PORTUGAL
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@Bartholomew:
> Lampard feared. Gerrard feared.
> Beckham feared. The Englisg team
> collectively feared failure.
Too true. You could see it in their eyes.
They are bound to falter and miss as long as England and their fans mount such immense pressure on their players.
'96 it was 'Thirty years of hurt', today it was 40 years too many for your players to cope with. The lads are not responsible for prior failures.
How about approaching the next tournament in a somewhat more humble, low-key way?
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i HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT FIOOTBALL SUPPORTERS - OF ANY NATIONALITY ARE - SAD PEOPLE.
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andrew, you must be scots..go away and bore some other blog..ebc, don't make me laff. If scotland(ireland, wales?) has more like you, i can't wait for your independence..if only it barred you from posting here!
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I don't think rooney would have been sent off if it wasn't for cristiano ronaldo man utd fans should feel ashamed that they have someone like him in their side. The English game is about fair play, not about getting teammates sent off because you are scared of their ability. Wayne Rooney was trying to regain his balance to proceed with his job, he, in my humble opinion did not intentionally stand on the portuguese player. this is ytet another insult to English football!!
no Englishman would complain about losing in a fair (Sportsman like) game but this to me was an insult to the English game.
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TV pundits were dreadful today. Wright has been awful for the whole tournament but Shearer was equally bad this time. Motson and Lawrenson were tedious - I joined the crowd and swithced over to 5live (must be bad considereing how much I hate Alan Green).
Now that England are out maybe we won't have to listen to Shearer and Wright anymore and we can have the adults back on, i.e. Martin O'Neill back - please?
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Sven took a boy, Theo Walcott and other football pretenders (no names here) to do a man's job. Just serves to show Sven was a poor and costly experiment for the FA. He lacks the nounce at the top level. Where was Darren Bent and Jermaine Defoe? Watching the game on their flat screen 50" plasmas well knowing their chance will no doubt come.
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England were atrocious. The only decent player for us today was Hargreaves, and that was just because he kept on going. Rooney needs to take anger management classes before he pulls on an England shirt again.
The big problem is that English players are not given the chance to develop and flourish. All over the world, the EPL has the reputation of being the best league to play in, and the players come to play from all over. It summed it up when you look at the portugal side and see that Valente plays for Everton, Ronaldo for man u and Carvalho for Chelsea to name but a few. There are other countries as well that are just as well represented like France, Holland and Italy. UEFA have talked of forcing clubs to play a minimum number of home grown players in each game, and, to be honest, until this happens - and English players finally get the chance to play and improve - we are never going to win anything.
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I don't think rooney would have been sent off if it wasn't for cristiano ronaldo man utd fans should feel ashamed that they have someone like him in their side. The English game is about fair play, not about getting teammates sent off because you are scared of their ability. Wayne Rooney was trying to regain his balance to proceed with his job, he, in my humble opinion did not intentionally stand on the portuguese player. this is ytet another insult to English football!!
no Englishman would complain about losing in a fair (Sportsman like) game but this to me was an insult to the English game.
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>>>>andrew, you must be scots..go away and bore some other blog..ebc, don't make me laff. If scotland(ireland, wales?) has more like you, i can't wait for your independence..if only it barred you from posting here!
yeah - and we are a country - NOT a region as your EBC would have us!
Doesn't change the fact that england were crap and deserved to lose. :)
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Theo Walcott... Theo who... I think Sven may have put a sizeable dent in the confidence of the young man..
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I couldn麓t agree with you more. I'm very happy with portuguese victory but english side was very good, specially with 10 men. Lennon went well and all other substitutes also. I believe that, in spite of a null, it was the most disputed quarter finals game. We all must say "We love football"
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I think this is an opportunity for us to accept that although the Premiership is hyped up to be the best on earth, the England national team is no where near the best footballing nations of the world. Ghana played better football than England for a start, which is shocking enough.
Marketing, publiciity and misguided self belief in the guise of Top of the Pops style idolisation of players, will not mould players who can lift the world cup. Until players realise that there is a game to be played and won, and that chasing headlines and front page images is not part of the game, we shall continue to bread young players who loose their way after testng the power of money. We need players for whom money is a by product of playing the game and not those for whom playing the game is the route to money - there is a difference.
As for Rooney, whatever excuses others might put forward on his behalf, his behaviour was an utter disgrace and he deserved to be sent off. People were very quick to criticise Henry when he got a Spanish player sent off - I did not see the same reaction to Rooney's behaviour, which was much worse. And people then wonder why the likes of Rooney cannot play their best football as part of the national team. If we continue to massage the egos of people who should be chasticised, we sould not be surprised when they fail to deliver through complacency and lack of passion.
Let us hope hope that the new Coach will make decisions based on football alone rather than yielding to pressure from the Tabloids.
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So many 'what ifs' and 'why?s'... the heat, the expectations, the cliff hanging frustration and the fated penalty shoot-out. But we can't turn the clock back. We can only pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down - and start all over again.
I'm reminded of Gary Lineker's memorable parting comment as England crashed out of Euro 2004 in the same manner: "At the end of the day... it grows dark."
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A number of the calls in this World Cup have been suspect, but Rooney's red card isn't one of them. When he stomps on an opponent AND then angrily shoves another...ALL RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE REFEREE!!...he should expect an early trip to the locker room! Pure stupidity...
It wasn't an inspiring match from either side, but having Rooney in for the full time wouldn't have changed the outcome...not as if he had scored in the World Cup up until that point anyway. Now at least the German police can take a break with all of the English fans headed home!
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When do the British start accepting, that other countries can play football too.
during this World Cup and the latest in Korea too, they proved, that they are a destructive team, who can do nothing when behind.
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sorry to see England go.
At least the fans put on a great performance every time.
Hope that you will come back to Germany for more football or for vacation
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well
portugal v england
i don't untherstand why england didn't play in the begining pf the match...
i don't untherstand why, after rooney send out, i saw 10 players in the defense
the good thing 4 u was that those 10 players created a wall to the portuguese squad
there is no need to mencion te ref... i don't know what is your prob with argentinian ppl but forget the ref cuz with had lucky compared to ivanov (portugal-neetherlands)
u don't have resean to behave like inocent sayind: 'we don't want ronaldo in england', 'go play to spain' and bla bla bla
in that subject i prefer to see ronaldo in manchester than in real madrid or 'circus' if u wish...
some one said that if u have scolari u would win WC, totali agree
i was expecting the victory of portugal, obviously, and i desagree that england's squad is or was better than the portuguese 1.
4 me ricardo was the man of the match
even without deco or costinha we showed our value
when i heard that fifa's president said that the final would be Germany v Brasil i saw that this WC was more than football, it was influences...
but for my surprise, and fifa's president i'm sure, brasil lost!
he will have to change his plans! xD
to finish
i agree with coments of Ana, Raquel and Fabian
GO PORTUGAL
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England needed to play to win the game in regulation time. If that meant playing Crouch and Rooney together,so be it. I would rather lose trying, than win on penalties.
Surely video footage should be used to penalise players after the game,(not that it would effect the outcome of that game) but would have an effect on games after and hopefully the spirit of the game forever.
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I hope we dont suffer the same fate in 5 years from mclaren.Its time for achange.Goodbye Beckham; neville;carragher;crouch and hopefully 5-4-1 what alame way to leave ...I wonder if wayne will be rooming with ronaldo next season!!! the word naive comes to mind.We need a group of players who will adapt and learn from the world stage. If we had won on penalties who would have led the line against France?The weakness in this squad was cruelly exposed.Hargreaves was brilliant and deserves a run in the side.10 for effort. Gerrard ;cole j and a;and Lampard will learn from the experience and maybe next time they will have a break before the tournament begins. Leave the wives and girlfriends behind.winning takes sacrifice . Ask germany---Jurgen flew all the way from LA to lift the cup. Put your mortgage on it!!!
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Sorry folks, but if you thought Sven was bad you've got Steve McClaren to look forward to.
I'm a Scot, and I wanted England to win. I get sick of reading your hype only to see you bottle it, and rivalries aside, you are British.
Here are a few facts:
1) You had no midfield playmaker. Beckham is supposed to perform this role out wide, and he was in poor form throughout. Personally, I would find a way to put Carrick AND Hargreaves in the team. Lennon is also V. good. Beckham has to show some hunger now to retain his place.
2)You made a big error not taking a couple of form forwards. Today, when down to 10 men, you really needed somebody with pace to hit the Portuguese on the break. The one man with pace, Walcott, was never going to get on, so instead of pace, you had P. Crouch (OK player, but not what you wanted today.......)
3) It's dissapointing, but Portugal are no world beaters. The Portuguese players have loads of skill but lack athleticism, physique and aggression compared to the other semi-finalists. These are qualities England, on the other hand, have plenty of (Mssr Rooney perhaps even a little too much?). Look at the way France played today for a lesson in how dangerous those things can be when put in a proper system, and applied with a bit of arrogance.
4) Your players play like they're under pressure, so can I suggest that in 2 years (assuming you make the euros) you calm the hype down a bit. Your players will then be full of quiet confidence in their own abilities, rather than knee weakening press spun expectation, and you'll also look less stupid if something goes wrong. Look at Germany, or even France... playing like they don't care, and playing in the knowledge that, on their day, they can beat anyone. England, by contrast, looked beaten before taking the field. We learned this lesson in Scotland in 1978...... It's just a shame we haven't had a good team since then...
5) Less hype may also have the added "benefit" of endearing you to us Scots. It's possible so don't knock it. The odds are about the same as those on England actually winning something as opposed to just saying they will.
6) Germany to win.
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Andrew, you're a region not a country..ever hear about the act of union? anyway its not the point which is that miserable people like you (disgrace even to the scots?) will jump at any chance to have a go at england especially tonight when we are all suffering from a bad result to a good game. Its called kicking someone when they're down and, not even being English (S.African by the way and we DO have an ambassador at the UN) i find it despicable and totally lacking in integrity what you do. I reiterate, go and find a blog of your own and stop bothering people who are having a difficult time.
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here we go again, at least they played with guts 10 men all. Swen goodbye, you had 'nt a clue, what 's name go back to real madrid, Lennon showed him how, he is finnished The best man on the for England Hargreves by far.
You have to put the ball in the net to win it is so simple
The best you have played, thanks guys, We will still suport you next time with a bit of luck.
Red & White for ever.
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By the way - I know the Scots have been criticised for their one eyed insistence on supporting the team playing England, but not a single English TV pundit thought Germany would beat Argentina yesterday.
Personally, my money was on Germany. What it shows is the very damaging one-eyed arrogance that afflicts English sport, especially football. Apart from the fact that it annoys the Scots, it has a second more damaging effect.
You totally overburden your teams with expectation. You also come across as very dismissive of your opponents so they all have extra motive to beat you - the cry before the world cup was "Germany offer nothing" and that only Brazil offered any threat to England's procession to the trophy. Everybody seemed to forget that a less talented German team than the current one reached the final 4 years ago away from home, having been beaten 5-1 at home by England the previous year.
My advice to you would be look at the Germans, because you have a similar playing ethos to them (athleticism takes precedence over pure technical skill, not giving up etc.). But also look at the way they don't hype themselves. They know how good they are, they don't need to boast.
It's better to lie in wait and ambush your quarry, rather than let it know you're chasing it....
Then, once you've taken a leaf out of the German PR book, look at the way they direct everything through Ballack, and for Ballack read Carrick. You'll be half decent then.
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Sven had a plan ??
DO NOT LET THE OTHER TEAM SCORE ??
England never looked like scoring and even Rooney at his best would always struggle on his own up front.
Crouch proved in the second half, as did Lennon that they should have started in a 4-4-2 formation.
Negative tactics deserve negative results, and we have seen it for far too long from England.
Get a manager like Scolari or Klinsman who have both never lost a World Cup match and play with passion and belief.
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Soccer is a giant organism. In order to be perennial winners you must hit it in every cylinders.
Unfortunately, us the fans, we are only privilged so see what is happening on the field and the sidelines. However, there must be more then just the pitch and the sideline to be a winner in Soccer.
When was the last time England won a cup in under 17, under 19, under 21 or the Olympic games?
You have a phenomenal league. I am paying hundreds of dollars and waking up at 6 am in the morning on the weekends to watch Premiership games in my living room in Houston, Texas.
Please think about the recent and very succesful Premiership teams. Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea. Who are managing these teams? Did Arsenal play a Premiership game with 11 non-British starters?
It is sad to see that a nation who gave birth soccer (Football as you call it) cannot produce an international winner youth team or produce a Technical Director who can manage a Champions League winner team or even manage England's team.
I think as a nation you should look at other aspects of the game instead of the "missed penalty kicks" and applaud Sven G. for at least taking a 17 year old to the tournament.
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You cannot legislate from premediatated cheating as we saw from the worse Portugual side I have ever seen. They were never going to score in open play against England in fact only one team looked likely to.
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As an American watching World Cup I think Americans would do well to learn from England's fans. You are clearly the best fans in the world. The constant cheering and support for your team was fun to watch. England's fans never seemed to give up. I hope you someday will get another cup. England fans deserve it.
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Forget who's to blame - that's a typical Engerlund attitude!! You were shite, pure and simple. At least have the same honesty as the Scots and admit it!!!!!
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Forget who's to blame - that's a typical Engerlund attitude!! You were shite, pure and simple. At least have the same honesty as the Scots and admit it!!!!!
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I heard an opinion voiced on German TV that makes me ponder...
It says that today England might have deserved to win, but looking at all the previous matches Portugal has been far more impressive than England.
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Gutsy performance from England, despite some shocking decisions by the referee. The Portugese could have dived all day and all the ref would have done is reached for his card and given them a 5.9 for artistic impression.
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Gutsy performance from England, despite some shocking decisions by the referee. The Portugese could have dived all day and all the ref would have done is reached for his card and given them a 5.9 for artistic impression.
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Why does everyone seem so suprised?
After all these bad performances, did you really expect England to win the world cup? I think we should be grateful we went out on penalties to Portugal as appossed to a 3-0 hammering at the hands of France.
And I think people shouldn't be so harsh on Sven. I am firmly standing by my view that he is the best England manager for a long time. So he hasn't won anything, but how many other managers have done so with an England team? Look at the last two England managers: Kevin Keegan (where is he now?) and Glenn Hoddle (Just resigned as Wolves manager). What can they say they have done in their careers? And what has Sven done? European cups, Italian titles etc.
I think that he has failed to help England achieve their potential, but he has brought together and molded the best team England have had for a long time. Now, a new manager should come along and build on this, and i personally think that Mclaren is NOT that man. Lets hope Big Phil is still available after Euro 2008 when Mclaren fails to capatalize on England's potential.
Now, back to the match. Not a single player lived upto their reputations and perhaps Sven should have chosen others to replace them. I pesonally would have dropped Lampard in favour of Carrick; Beckham in favour of Lennon and Hargreaves in favour of Crouch. Back to a diamond 4-4-2! I may have even taken off Terry for Campbell. Some players need to be shown that their places should not be taken for granted and think Beckham should be stripped of the role of captain and give it to Gerrard. Before anyone says that Gerrard was not his best... I totally agree with you. But for me he was one of the best players in the world last season and I think he could carry this form into an England shirt if he were not playing with the dismal Lampard. As for the desicion of taking Walcott. I would have liked to see him come on today. We saw what he can do with Southampton last season, and he must be good enough if Arsene Wenger bought him, Henry praises him and Sven picks him. It would have been a delight to see him giving the Portugese defence a hard time after Rooney's dismissal. Perhaps Defoe should have made the team.
So please everybody stop being so suprised, the form going into this game, the world cup even was not great. We all agree that Sven made some bad decisions, but look at what he did do for us. In 2002 we weren't expecting to get to far after the Keegan farce, but we overcame Germany 5-1 and dramatically drew with Greece to earn a spot in the World Cup, where we lost to eventual winners Brazil. Sven was critisised for his tactics... but look at who was in the team: Danny Mills, Trevor Sinclair, Emile Heskey...Not to mention an unfit Beckham. We didnt have the quality Brazil did in that tournement and were never going to win that one. When you critisise Sven, remember the good he has done for England, I think we all forget to see the bigger picture at times. Sven could not have done more for England than he did and I think we should all thank him rather than let the media make his life unbearable for weeks to come.
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oh my god we're as bad as the scots! will the suffering never end?! just when i thought i might, just might, get through the night, then comes the killer blow! excuse me while i go off and top myself..funny how they always try and drag everybody down to their(not even qualifying) level. Why not pop down to asda, you must be running out of salt by now,and while you're there, you might as well top up with bile if they sell it in case you haven't enough.Any more of this and we'll have to send you back all those drunkards outside the tube stations...
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After the defeat on Penalties and as we went back to the 91热爆 commentators.. the camera should have opened on Lineker as he said to the viewers 'I'm getting fed up with this'..because that's exactly how i feel right now. I've been watching england for over 30 years now and i have to say not much as changed in terms of our approach. I knew , as much as anyone can know, that england was likely to lose this game... but of course i had so much hope that i was wrong because i knew we really should win. Could/should win is one thing but actually winning is quite another thing because well.. this IS England.
I guess , as Waddle as said on this site, we have to wake up and realise we are not a great TEAM.
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@Bell
Quote: "You are clearly the best fans in the world. The constant cheering and support for your team was fun to watch." ...
Really sweet but haven't you yet noticed that many of the firm supporters love to apply double standards? On the beeb's messageboard website 606, ppl were actually complaining about the the German fans cheering for their team and 'distracting' the Argentinian players! While today during the ENG-POR game when the England fans were doing exactly the same, it was all so great and brilliant. Gimme a break. Uh right, there it is ;)
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Another "sorry to see you go" from Germany. Or rather, as a poster said earlier, don't go yet -- stay, party with us, have a beer and don't be too sad. I, too, would have loved to see an England-Germany final.
Also, hats off to your supporters. Easily the most impressive crowd, great singing and cheering. We'll miss you.
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teutonicauk..what some people say on 606 and what bbc commentators say during a match does not a reasoned argument make..needs some joined up thinking before you post?
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Not all us Englishmen are blinkered. Rooney was sent off for kicking his opponent in the nuts and in any case, we played (marginally) better with 10 than we did with 11. We never had the talent to become World champions but at the same time, we certainly could have (and have in the past) played better than we did in this tournament.
Now the worrying really starts, though. Steve McLaren as manager, heaven help us..... as an earlier poster said, welcome to mediocrity.
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You say Portuguese are cheaters and that you are an example of rightness and honour ability. But along the centuries you were the biggest cheaters, everything counted to make you win. And how about honour, as soon as you lose let鈥檚 beat everybody and brake everything. And now your saying FIFA defends de most powerful associations. Are you saying the FA is smaller than the FPF (Portuguese Football Federation)? ;)
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I麓m very bored to see all these english speeking about cheating and giving lessons about "the true sportsman fair play", and bla bla... bla bla...
I understand your're pissed because you loose but, perhaps you can coment something abou your first goal against TrinidadTobago, when Crouch pull the defense hair to score the goal!
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I don't get it: you Brits blame everyone for this defeat (the referee, Christiano Ronaldo, SGE) apart from the one player who really messed it all up for you! I have watched Rooney's foul over and over...how could he be so stupid? With the ref standing right next to him??? We've seen red cards for far less than this attack in this tournament, why should he be the exception?
I understand you guys are terribly disappointed, but please try to look at this objectively. Rooney totally lost his temper, Ronaldo just did what every other player would have done (stood up for his teammate) and the ref did what he had to do - simple as that!
England were definitely playing their best match of the tournament - they were clearly dominating over 90 minutes - it's a shame they lost it. However, a team that doesn't manage to score does not deserve to win!
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This world cup has been interesting, but not a classic, so far. here are some reasons why:
The main teams expected to do weel have not performed, yet can you think of a real uspet, in the vein of 4 years ago? Maybe Ghana beating the Czech republic, but then Ghana showed they could play, and the czechs were hit by injury and old age. The form book has been kept to. And it looks as though it will continue.
There has only been one consistently good side throughout - Germany. Their defence was a little shaky in the first game, but they have played tremendous attacking football throughout the tournament and are on a massive high. They are the only side who truly deserve to win - Italy are too negative by default, and, like France, have only hit their stride recently. portugal look average but are somehow through, while the other teams that have tried to play attacking football, spain and argentina, have been dumped out of the competition. Brazil were under par, and never raised their game, paying for it against a buoyed but not perfect French side, while england have followed much the same pattern, scraping through a ridiculously easy group and falling at the first real hurdle. It has been encouraging to see Germany have the right attitude however - they weren't fantastic against Argentina, but did enough to draw and play to their strenghts - penalties, something which they know they can win, by being confident and very very good at it. England for one haven't played to their strengths, rendering any chance of success redundant. Watching Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney and Beckham week in week out in the leagues is a joy (ok perhaps not Beckham so much now) but seeing them producing listless displays for England is plain aggravating. Why can't Gerrad play like he did for Liverpool in the cup finals? Or Lampard like he does for Chelsea, 50 games a season? Surely 7 good games isn't too much to ask from a man who is consistently the best midfielder in the premiership, possibly the world's best league? Rooney is magnificent for United, beating defenders, setting up goals, banging ones in from 40 yards sometimes - we all remember his debut, and that was back from metatarsal injury as well. Owen hasn't looked his best since scoring twice for Liverpool in the FA cup final, while Beckham hasn't been at his since the Greece game. Joe Cole can hold his head high, as can Hargreaves, and possibly Crouch and lennon, after all, they are still young, but the more experienced heads in the England camp must take their share of the blame for simply not being able to raise their game when it mattered. it is the same mentality that dogged Henman for so many years, but one also has to accept that, like Henman, England are simply not as good as their contemporaries. Somehow, the best 11 players in the country does not equal the best team. This has been Sven's major downfall, regardless of actual tactics, for they can vary from team to team. he picks the 'fantasy 11', which looks awesome on paper, but never seems to work becuase the players are used to playing with better, or indeed, worse, players around them, and cannot gel. Lampard has Makelele behind him for most of the game, but with gerrards willingness to get forward as well, he is often forced into the defensive role where he makes sloppy passes ad wastes opportunities because he is rushing forward from deep positions. Hargreaves could have solved that problem today, but it required direction from the manager regarding the attacking midfielders, as well as application of these objectives, both of which England lacked. The fact that whenever Hargreaves won the ball, the two mids in question were ambling around him, leaving 30 yards of space between them and Rooney, beggars belief. If we can see the problem here, knowing very little about football, and actually playing in tournaments, then surely they can on the pitch. surely?! Sven and the players are not entirely to blame, of course, the media must take their share of the responsibility for hyping England up to the point of hysteria, printing pointless articles in the tabloids like 'Beckham: we can win World Cup', or 'Rooney: We can win world cup'. i saw a number of these on both the main tabloid reds, and reaslised it was the typical plague of pointless optimism that was endemic throughout the tournament. The constant mentions and clips of 66, the unwillingness of certain pundits to talk about anything but England, when there were some very worthy teams out there as well (Germany, for instance?!!) Why must we hype up every time? nobody expected Germany to do anything at this world cup, yet look where they are. Brazil are another team who have cracked under media pressure - hailing them as the best team since 1970. It's ridiculous and unnecessary to have to sit through people banging on about 'the heroes of 66' and 'England are second only to Brazil.' I totally respect the players of our only world cup victory, but that was then, and we have to move on. look to the future. play to our strengths: we saw them today - hargreaves in the holding role, lennon on the right wing. add carrick, defoe, bent, jenas, king, downing and walcott to the mix, and you have a team that can excite and impress. add a manager who thinks positively, and you will have a team that excites and impresses. It probably won't win a tournament, but at least we will go home with our heads held high, that we ran the opposition ragged for 90 minutes, and scored some fantastic goals along the way, that would be better. Even playing a 3-4-3 with rooney behind defoe and bent, and an attack minded defence, with carragher, terry and cole at the back, lennon, carrick, hargreaves and cole in midfield, would be thrilling to watch. imagine the chances we'd create...
still, mustn't grumble. nobody died. We'll be fine, and filled with renewed optimism about qualifying. such is the spirit of english football
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WoW I thought this blogg was objective but I guess not. My view! I called it how I saw it, England underperformed as a team and individualy (for the most, though the tactics could have had something to do with it) and as for you bobbylebonfire 5th columnist am I lol leave me be your not English so you will never understand.
Football without passion is 22 men standing in a field its not why I watch the game I watch the game to be entertained. In 480 mins of play the entertainment value was pretty low.
We are all just turds in the sewer of life.
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Rooney didn't kick anyone in the nuts..if you watch it in real time, not slo-mo, he's just regaining his balance and its totally accidental, unlike ronaldo's intrvention and subsequent wink. I also agree with alan shearer that his time in england should be made as unpleasant as possible by as many as possible..one good turn deserves another or just sell him to madrid.Portugal's reputation, except among their fans, lies in tatters..and i've been reading non england supporters posts on other blogs. A national team of divers and cheats. We're down but not out and we still have a reputation for fair play, bilious comments from envious scots on this and other blogs notwithstanding. We will rise again and France will blow portugal away inshallah!
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bad luck England, to me it's just poor management this time round and Germany have been surprisingly great hosts.
One thing I have noted during this world cup is countries showing their true colours - particularly Scotland's and they weren't even in it.
From the hordes of Scottish Trinidad n' Tobago supporters to Andrew Murray at Wimbledon saying he'd support any other team against England. What we're seeing isn't even in a friendly nature either - not down to rivalry any more, it appears it's just out of hatred.
Strange to think that Portugal is our longest serving ally throughout history but we have to call Scotland our neighbours.
What's up with the Scottish - it never used to be this bad? Sad to say I won't be visiting Scotland anytime soon.
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After so much ado, let's close the chapter and say this much:
England were brave in their last match, but in none of their matches were they good enough.
They deserve to go home.
It is as simple as that.
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England 0 : 0 Portugal (1 : 3 PSO)
鈥淚 have to confess that a small part of me still thinks that the sight of tearful [Englishmen] crying into their beer does still hold some appeal.鈥
Just kidding, Fletch. ;-)
I get great enjoyment out of seeing my team win. I get absolutely no pleasure from watching the fans of the loosing side experience disappointment and dejection.
England lost the match but with one man down displayed great fighting spirit until the very last second. Both sides fought very hard under agonizing weather conditions.
Congratulations to the Portugal fans on your victory.
Congratulations to the England fans for a respectable World Cup run.
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Oh well, at least Andy Murray won....
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Now then.
It is several hours after England's defeat now and to be honest I have had a few beers to try to wipe out a few of the memory cells immediately.
There has been a lot of interesting chat about our defeat. A few people seemed to have appeared out of the woodwork, delighting in England's elimination.
What frustrates me is that I would have really fancied us against the French, but if you can't take a penalty...
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hahaha unlucky england you might wanna make sure that the media is less stressful on the players. Go Australia, now you know how it feels to go out on a harsh and unfair manner
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test
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I have watched it in slow-mo. We'll just have to agree to disagree ;)
Terry... nothing's up with the Scottish. I'm an Englishman living in Scotland (albeit on Arran, where there are plenty of English living here....) but nevertheless, the Scots here are never less than friendly and welcoming.
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no, tim the red, i'm not english but i did see england play with passion tonight despite being lambasted for YEARS by your ilk, the type thats never happy with anything, negative about everything and that's something very very english, not that i understand it at all nor want to.As for being a turd in the sewer of life, i'll take your word for it as you obviously have a better view of yourself than me!lol
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England were undoubtedly brave when down to ten men and Owen Hargreaves stood out.
However before we all start chanting the 'gallant defeat' mantra, we should put things in perspective. Portugal played without their best player - Deco and without their top midfielder Costinha. Yet they were better on the ball, more composed, more creative throughout the match
England showed some fire when they went down to 10 men, but does that show they're a good team or an average one who released from the tension of a big game by excuse of being reduced to ten men (heroic rearguard action etc) for defeat had been crafted by the sending off, could finally throw caution to the winds and play more positive footbal And even then while they made bold if frantic efforts to score, Portugal still, to the end of the match remained the more assured side.
It is amazing how many England fans are now blaming the ref and Ronaldo for getting Rooney sent off (for attempted castration) - the same fans who acclaimed the ref in the Holland/ Portugal match for sending off 4 players for violent conduct!!. If it was fair then why not now? Was it becos the sending offs in the Portugal/Holland match favoured England by weakening their potential opponents, while the latest one did not - Come on guys lets be matured about this.
England has lost to Portugal 3 times in the last 6 years in tournaments. That can only mean one thing - they are a better team. The chances are that if deco and Costinha had played (and how England rejoiced when they missed it) Portugal would have won in the 90 minutes.
If England wants to improve they have to be honest with themselves and admit their deficiencies.
England have not only not won any major tournament in 40 years, they have also failed to beat any of the major football powers in the knock stage of any major tournament in the same period. Not once have they beaten Brazil, France, Argentina, Italy, Holland or Germany in either the world cup of euro knockout stages since 1966. I am afraid that such a statistic cannot be attributed to just bad luck, any more than the the sun shining in June can be put down to good fortune.
Their is a method to this mediocrity and it is down to the way football is played in England, fast, furious, frantic, frenetic, lacking in guile, technique, fluency and craft.- the characteristics that win world cups.
Of course Erickson should take some of the blame, but let鈥檚 be honest, if Erickson was coaching France, Brazil, Portugal or Holland do you really think they would struggle to pass the ball against Trinidad or Tobago? Is it really just about the coach and not the clearly over hyped players?
Probably this post will be drowned in a tide of angry and embittered denunciations, it鈥檚 always the case with England supporters a lot of whom in their lack of real knowledge of the game, and unrepentant provinciality are part of their country's footballing problem and therefore cannot be expected to see the solution.
But believe me until England becomes humble enough to learn from others how to play, in the modern era, the game they invented in the ancient one, allying continental know how and Latin flair with English concentration and passion, they will not win the world cup. It is quite as simple as that.
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another thing is why do people keep posting that our media is to blame. I can't see anything wrong with hyping our team, where is a team with no support? The media also equally said that England were underperforming and lucky to be where we are now.
England on paper is positively mouth watering Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard, both Coles, Terry, Ferdinand, an injured Owen, and a free-kick specialist in Beckham. There is the exception of a few names but that would be down to Sven. I'm sure a lot of world cup managers would relish having such a team at their disposal.
England did underperform but can you really blame the players when we're playing to Sven's Plan 'whatever-letter-it-is-now' on a day-by-day basis?
Rooney up front on his own - yeah we've all witnessed that day-in day-out at ol' trafford, not.
The only thing Sven's done for England is getting rid of David James - and it sure weren't practising penalties.
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I've never found the england players lacking in humility. They've said things like they've got the talent to do it etc, but name me one player who's come out and said the opposition are rubbish, it's englands cup? No, this all comes from the tabloids, the gutter press who have hyped everything up ad nauseam and in the process the england team have somehow now come to represent 'arrogant england' which is actually what the sun,mirror, daily mail etc are. In the process the pressure on the squad has become unbearable and everybody and his scottish dog line up to take shots when they fail to meet 'expectations'. The team have never come across as arrogant.
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What a heroic struggle. It is enough to make you cry when so much effort is rewarded with such a result. You could see the pain of disappointment written on the tired faces of England. What a wretched way to lose a game that England had won. Yes won, I say. For sheer grit they had beaten a good Potugal side. They had won only to be swept away by the curse of the pebnalty kick. Good luck Portugal, but the victors are forced to watch another World Cup from the side lines, again.
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up posting all night to avoid dealing with the disappointment! time for bed, but one last interesting fact: owen hargreaves was man of the match, now will ian wright and all the rest either apologise or shut the !!!! UP?
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Hey it was a two sided match think of wazza losing it ,and ron doing the harm once again its ferggy boys.did he just told wazza not to go.........i mean wazza could have been great without the bunch of losing english.fighting swedes.
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Hey it was a two sided match think of wazza losing it ,and ron doing the harm once again its ferggy boys.did he just told wazza not to go.........i mean wazza could have been great without the bunch of losing english.fighting swedes.
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The thing that annoys me the most is the bad sportsmanship of Christiano Ronaldo. I don't think there's any excuse for trying to get one of your club team mates sent off and goading him. Winning is important but not at any expense. What goes around comes around. He'd better hope he does secure a move to Real Madrid because his behaviour will not be forgotten.
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haha you got put out.
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Once again,like the million of England fans i am devastated to lose out in a penalty shoot-out.As i sat in Calgary,Canada to watch the match i had expectations of England taking care of Portugal to progress to the next round.However, this was not to be,as the spurious sending off of Rooney,was the start of the demise.Gerrard and Lampard did not perform to their true potential for their country, Beckham, was uninspirational,and the whole team seemed to have sunk into a sea of mediocraty.The fact that players like Christian Renaldo,was able to influence the referee's decision,against his own Man United, team mate,to get him sent off,had set the tone for the rest of the game.
We now have to wait another four years to try again.Maybe next time those who wear the three lions on their chest to represent England should take a note from Owen Hargreaves' book about playing for England,Especially, as he did so with pride and committment deserving of a true Calgarian,in England's strip.
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Thanks for the sympathy happy_scot. Can't remember which group Scotland where in.
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Every time i watch our football team it ends in a gut wrenching, painful heartbreaking trauma. These players are the highest paid losers in sporting history and I for one will never be watching international football again. As a semi professional rugby player, I have watched our rugby team carve out a world cup win that was not pretty but they got the job done. Our football team is made up of pre-madonnas, advertisers dreams, and models, everything except football players who are unworthy of the vast wages they earn each week. The whole campaign for England has been boring, routine and uninspiring. For me this World Cup will forever be summed up by "David Who?".
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Every time i watch our football team it ends in a gut wrenching, painful heartbreaking trauma. These players are the highest paid losers in sporting history and I for one will never be watching international football again. As a semi professional rugby player, I have watched our rugby team carve out a world cup win that was not pretty but they got the job done. Our football team is made up of pre-madonnas, advertisers dreams, and models, everything except football players who are unworthy of the vast wages they earn each week. The whole campaign for England has been boring, routine and uninspiring. For me this World Cup will forever be summed up by "David Who?".
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gone right off the scots..will want them to lose from now on, mind you they do that ever so well without any help from anybody else, may as well leave them to it..but i will hunt down their blogs...aah forget it, why waste energy and time? sad fucks
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Guys,
When will we realise that these tournaments are not about players but referees. How referees can change the destiny of world cups must be analysed at SOME point. With all the technology we have today why are we so tolerant of errant decisions all over the pitch, sendings off as rewards for the oscar acting of so called professional sportsmen and plethoras of unexplained and unexplainable yellow and red cards.
I really don't understand why we need officials on the pitch at all - replays, technology watching offsides can do the job with officials in a commentary box.
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It is time fo England to move on. we have to learn from yet another underachievement with hat is arguably thebest group of individuals we have fielded for years.
That in itself seems to be a problem. Eleven highly gifted players but a very mediocre team. McClaren should think more about putting a team together that can perform. He should think about replacing some of these big names with hungrier team players. A tougher style of management will also help. It seems to focus a players attention if he thinks he will be dropped. Whereas at the moment too many players seems to know they will never be dropped.
How many big tournaments have we taken a squad including injured players or players who are not match fit? How many times has this gone wrong? When will we ever learn? If we had taken Darren Bent or even one of the West Ham strikers we would have had a young fit hungry striker and one in a rich vein of form too. Instead we took an injury prone unfit Michael Owen. I guess nobody was going to not take Rooney but why was Theo Walcott the other pick. Even the wily Wenger hasnt been using him in the premiership. If a manager as experienced as Wenger doesnt think he is ready for the Premiership yet why take him to the world cup? Well Sven didnt use him either, which expands the mystery. Then of course we had no natural right back cover for an aging Neville. I always thought the squad was meant to be 2 players for every position plus a third keeper. Quite simple really. Probably the best ting that came from this tournament was the emergence of Hargraves as a defensive midfielder who could get forwar too. For too many years we havent had one of these and the management seemed to not care preferring to play big names and watch opposition teams carve straight through the middle of England without ever thinking a defensive midfielder was needed. Now we have Hargeaves to play this role, and hopefully some more young English talent will work its way through with the English management recognizing that their are good team players willing to die for the shirt at clubs outside the traditional top four.
Then of course we get to tactics where England seem incredibly naive. Our tactics seem to just be stick the best eleven individual players on the pitch and they will win. Too often we play players out of position which does not help to stick to a tactical plan, but then again it too often doesnt look like there is a tactical plan at all. It is time for England to work on a system that suits our style of play and pick the best player who is a natural in that position rather than sticking square pegs in round holes. And while we are on tactics lets get rid of this asking the players idiocy. Let the brains work out the tactics. Let the coaches coach the decided tactics and let the players play them. No room for non-team players here.
Finally, when will England ever get back to having a world class keeper. Robinson for all his talents in the EPL just hasnt looked psychologically tough enough. He has nervously failed to hold the ball so many times during this world cup. When it came to the penalty shoot out he looked a nervous wreck before the first kick while Ricardo looked calm and assured.
Unfortunately finding a top class keper is probably th e hardest part for McClaren. The team selection, the tactics etc can be easily worked on but good English keepers dont grow on trees these days.
Anyway lets look forward to the Euros in a couple of years and to the young hungry English team well drilled and coached who will be running out onto the pitch for the final.
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I think it was clear -from Sven's face- that we were afraid of getting into penalties @ the end of the game.
Actually Portugal is a bad example of the 'new era' in football where all you need to do -as a team- is to frustrate your opponent either by play-acting, wasting time or cheating.
We see samples of these attitudes every week in the premiership in the likes of Arsene Venger's Arsenal and Mourinho's Chelsea.
Anyway, we played a good game yesterday, but when evaluating the performance of the team in the tournment, we were below the bar and
it was obvious that our players never reached their potential.
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Why don't they have tree judges in a box watching TV coverage and let them determine if a tackle was illegal or not. You could see on the TV who was making a false drama about tackles and so would the judges. Two out of the tree would carry. There would not be a great amount of time wasted because they would see it as it happened. Some of the refs are card mad and it seems to have taken something out of the game.
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That was a great game, had me out of my seat every second of it. I'm a Portugal fan myself, and it seems, in this world cup, Portugal have been making a habit of playing unattractive, and under-par yet still winning somehow. Hey... whatever works, right? Anyway, it was a hard fought match and Portugal didn't play well enough to win, and England didn't exactly deserve to lose neither, so the initial tie score was a just one.
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Such a shame.
I live in Thailand and they are footie mad here and were rooting for England.
I have 2 shirts, one England the other Brazil, which were to be worn through until the final. Both will have to go back into the wardrobe for 4 years now.
Nevertheless, congratulations must go to Germany for hosting a memorable event and whoever wins deserves praise. Roll on 2010!!!
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From Canada, as an ex-pat from Portsmouth, I just cannot understand how the England squad allowed Beckham to be part of this team. I sincerely feel that without him the team would have played differently. Anyway, the so-called stars still didn't come through. Perhaps they are paid so much that trying to win a game is not in the cards. Discipline and skill need to be united for success. Obviously, these were lacking in the England team. Hopefully, the new manager will allow new players to be on the team. The old guard is not up to the task. I am still an England fan and will continue to hope for the increase in skill and dedication.
All the best for the future in English football.
Phil Cole
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How does Sven Goren Erickison ,take the cream of English football and turn them into a very ordanary football team ?
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Only one person to blame for England's failure and that was Sven, played the wrong system under those conditions one man Rooney cannot be expected to go it alone up front he's a great player but needed more help.Perhaps now we can move on with our new Manager. Good Luck England
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You know, it's disgusting! As long as I can remember the english have never won anything. And every time they go out they blame the refs or the opponents or whoever for cheating, conspiration or corruption. Or the manager is to be blamed because he blocked his own team of "best ever" players from delivering what else would be the "best in the world".
To be clear, I'm glad they are out this time. I can't bear this whining anymore. It's a bunch of overpaid mediocre nerve wrecks who can't stand the pressure of competing with better sides. That's all. They lost because they were not up to the task. They were not good enough.
Being a german I see it this way: the difference between the german sides and the english sides is that if they are not good enough the germans fight until they win, even if that does not always work, of course. The english simply give up and whine about the circumstances. Maybe all that is due to the tabloids' hype and pressure on the team, but do you think that's different here in germany?
Fortunately, at this WC the german side has unexpectedly reached a level of play that was not to be seen for many years. It simply makes fun to watch them (if you're not english or dutch, that is, maybe even then). And if they have to beat Argentine by means of penalties, they still can do that, too. It's as simple as that. Look at the records, seven times in the finals. And only two or three times not in the semifinals. Do you think that was achieved by whining about referees? There is a reason why most germans don't like the english sides. It's because they can't have respect for them. Every single tournament it's the same thing. They start as champions and end as clowns. Don't you get tired of that?
By the way, an interesting aspect that came to my mind is that now that the german side plays not only successful but after years of mediocre games now plays well, it seems that all so called (or self declared) favorites play it the german way. ;) Only the results count. The Netherlands, England, even Brasil tried it that way. But as you can see it takes a special kind of mentality to play lousy and still win. Maybe it is because we feel lousy anyway (for good reason lying in the past some 60 years ago). So maybe it is sort of doublethink. "We play lousy but who cares."
Anyway, the english side was not up to it. Even Scolari couldn't have helped that. Why don't you stick to rugby. Isn't that something where England is successful?
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No excuses for Rooney he deserved the red card. I wanted England to win but I can still say congratulations to Portugal. I think the team played well with 10 men. Some say Ronaldo taunted Rooney. They know each other, they play for the same team. Rooney just needs to say sorry and to stop passing the buck.
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Another under performing English side. Eriksson influence on the team was a negative. Did they look at videos of the previous and likely penalty takers of Portugal? Look what Germany did with their note taking antics. It won them the game. It is what I call meticulous preparation. Beckham shouldn't have been playing in this world cup. He hasn't been close to his best, way before leaving Manchester United. Rooney is a thug for stamping on the Portuguese player, the way he did, and action needs to be taken against him. Bar him from playing for a period of time. Lets say four months, without pay. Jamie Carragher I love yer, but your International days are over. At this level, you do not shine. This game could have just as easily been won as lost, had Eriksson got his tactics right. This team got to the last eight despite Eriksson. Playing a defensive five midfield got England to the quarter finals against meagre opposition. As soon as they played a half decent side, Sweden and Portugal, England were struggling. I didn't understand not playing Crouch up front with Rooney for the Potugal match. Look at Germany. A real basic team, with one player that might be called world class, in Michael Barrack.
Can we get rid of McClaren if he ends up a mini clone of Eriksson?
What happened to Lampard during this world cup? McClaren needs to make Gerrard captain. Send Beckham packing and start developing a couple of wingers in the Lennon mode. Manchester United's Ronaldo is a lucky man, if it's true he is going to Madrid, because that kid is going to get some stick if he stays in England. What a piece work he turned out to be.
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Being an Italian fan i saw the match alot different to you. Why is there no mention of Mr Rooney. If that was an Italan, Argentine or French player we would not have heard the last of it. England are boring, lack luster & have no idea. To cap it all i would like to say Good Ridence to probably of the most boring sides in the world cup & a coach that has ripped of the FA as well as the fans.
Come on you BLUES
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We had some tv trouble at the start of the game and it resulted in us seeing a very different game from what everyone on the bbc saw. We saw a good team having a bad day which resulted in them having to go through the penalty circus to win. Their opponents were a mess and spent the 90 minutes demonstrating that they had advanced far too far in the competition and were totally out of their depth. Paraguay were desperately unlucky to lose to England and Trinidad have solid evidence to claim that they were robbed with violence. Ecuador should have finished the sad adventure then and there but, again, incredible luck saw the English through. Against Portugal their luck ran out.
The English supporters, on the rare occasions when they are sufficiently sober to be coherent, like to tease their opponents about being Scotland in disguise. True enough, the Scots are not highly talented and their heart,dogged determination and never-say-die attitude have often taken them to stages where they truly do not deserve to be. Against Portugal, England were on a stage that they didn't deserve to be and if you substitute pure luck for heart, determination and never-say-die attitude you will find an England that were Scotland in disguise.
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So we lost on penalties again. The team selection and formation put us on the back foot to start with, when Portugal were there for the taking. The slogan was Believe but at times it looked like we didn't. Agree that Hargreaves had a great game and should start to win the doubters over. Also think that Lennon has been a revelation on the wing. Penalties are always a lottery and credit should be given to all the lads who were brave enough to take one. It just wasn't our day, again.
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So Mr.Blatter is furious about the after the game stuff between Germany and Argentina. And he comments that 'England played some negative football'.
I think Mr.Blatter and FIFA get their priorities straight. Stop commenting on how teams play football, and look at what FIFA can do to make the game a better spectacle -> and most especially more fairly managed on the field to take away the bad-feeling.
Do you realise that the FIFA website includes NO way of communicating with FIFA except by pen and paper. No email, message board, etc. There's a CONTACT FIFA button, which when pushed has the temerity to say 'Sorry, we have no vacancies at this time'. Once again, Blatter and his colleagues are showing themselves to have their heads in the clouds.
The two biggest propblems with football today are the tools available to referees, and the pernicious cheating and sneaky attitude that goes on in the game.
Give referees more ingame tools to manage - sin-bins, timekeeping, more referees on the pitch, 4 linesmen, not 2, access to video replays under certain conditions. We complain about the refereeing in this world cup, but more tools would allow for more consistency -> we asked them to be harder, but when they only have a yellow card, and we see record numbers of cards and sending off in the group stages, you know they're going to be more inconsistent later on.
How many times this tournament have we seen no-contact dives, deliberate foot-dragging for a free kick (such as Ronaldo against France), players brnadishing the invisible card, diving to the ground in agony pretending someone touched your face, or pretending to be seriously injured when the ball is going towards your goal. If you don't play fiar and kick the ball out, you get booed, and if you do, you lose an advantage through opposition deceit.
FIFA (Blatter) needs to address these two issues first, before any other changes to anything.
But I'm sure they won't. I don't know why. It's dealt with in Ice Hockey, Rugby, American Football, aussie rules, irish rules. Why can't it be dealt with in the richest, most popular, and simplest game in the world?
As for England. Bad luck chaps, you were the better team on the day. Euro 2008 -> it's yours for the taking.
Regards
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With the roof closed at the AufSchalke Arena the heat was intense - their was a scramble among journalists for the free supply of water at half-time and it must have been horrible for the players.
'Their'? Tsk.
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"With the roof closed at the AufSchalke Arena the heat was intense - their was a scramble among journalists for the free supply of water at half-time and it must have been horrible for the players."
'Their'? Tsk.
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We were not magnificent against Portugal. France was magnificent against Brazil. The problem is I think the same as England's/Britain's problem as a country. England is not a team !!! - It's a loose and temporary association of not seriously committed and connected individuals - and that's the problem. Our National team is a bunch of 'part-time' un-connected 'stars' - that actually derive their supposed collective brilliance (In My Humble Opinion) from being passport holders that play weekly alongside brilliant foreigners that actually have much more inate magic, intuition, adventure and fearlessness, than we do - that we tend to lack naturally - but that somehow, with the foreigners present - we can add something to.
On our own as a team of UK passport holders, we're a bunch of emotionally retarded Englishmen that cannot easily put our own personal 'success' or 'failure' aside for the good of the 'team' and the country. Case in point: We knew Lampard had a world cup goal scoring 'blockage' - The pressure was so great on him - he was caught in a self imposed 'mind-game' that told him he was screwing up - that he was letting us down - that he 'couldn't score' - his penalty kick (without the proper help) was destined to be a self-fulfilling prophecy - My point - taking a leaf out of Klinsman's californian book: Lampard needed to see a psychiatrist (we could all see his goal scoring psychological block - which could have been transformed by a successful penalty kick) - but he didn't have any really qualified help to make it happen, to transform that self indulgent, self-destructive tendency- in need of approval - yet drawn like a moth to a flame of self-immolation- A self destructive - self-fulfilling prophecy with no help to counter it - so - he flubbed it
Rooney has a similar block - ("I'll show them - this time - even one against three") - We lack self control - when it comes to the good of the whole.
Much criticised and maligned by the tradional german football establishment, Klinsman brought in US style fitness training, a team psychiatrist/psychologist and a team spirit and style - the latter decided upon by the team itself. It seems to be working. Germany looks very different!
England will never, never, be a team that can make it beyond the final 8 - unless there is both a team spirit at the same time as something like a team psychologist that can get them beyond seeking personal glory/approval/ re-approval or justification (if they fail it's self recrimination etc.)
Why can't we keep possession, make tight and accurate passes? One could argue that if all England training sessions were only geared around passing the ball and retaining possession and that such passes were tight and accurate and that at least 50% of desperate clearing actually went to an England player - we'd have a chance beyond the final 8. We need a shake up - like the Germans. We need to study & be open to whatever has worked elsewhere and learn from it. Yes we played valiantly when we were only 10 men - but compared to France we looked like a 3rd division side - all stars & no team.
Come On England!
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I'm just sad really.
Yeah yeah yeah England did not deserve to be there blablabla (as if Greece did not deserve to win the Euro! What does the verb "to deserve" has to do with football anyway?)
You can blame Sven. Or the Ref. Or Ronaldo (as a Man U fan I hope he will leave the club). Or the penalty takers. At the end of the day, these players gave 100%, Portugal were not up to standards especially when England were playing with 10 men. Hargreaves deserve apologies from the press and many fans who booed with for no reason.
I wish good luck to Portugal anyway and hope that England will bounce back one day...
ps to all the "English haters": I live in France. At the beginning of the WC, 85% of the population here were NOT supporting France. Now, all of a sudden, everyone is supporting "les bleus".
So yes, English were behind their team from day one. Many apologies for the non-hypocritical attitude, we should have been so humble and nice like the Germans or the Spaniards (gasp)
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Honestly guys, I think this was England鈥檚 best performance so far! For the rest of the tournament I never really understood why England was one of the favourites 鈥 they were quiet lucky to get this far. Problem with penalties? Well, France didn鈥檛 need a penalty to kick out Brazil!
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I am very sad that there won't be my dream final Germany vs. England.
The essence of your feelings over SGE is that he never won a title with/for the English. Maybe you should think back to the 1:5 win in Munich. It was pure hell for us and you all must have loved that night...
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As an Englishman, I'm bored with penalty shoot-outs for obvious reasons, but more than that I'm tired of tactically negative games. England only started playing yesterday in the 62nd minute when they had to.
I'm bored with 0:0 draws, 1:0 wins, but most importantly, I鈥檓 bored with yellow and red cards because they add nothing to the game, only to the headlines. The idea surely is to change the rules and provide fitting elements to allow a flowing and exciting match. Get rid of yellow and red cards and replace them with the sin-bin and penalties awarded for serious fouls or bad conduct anywhere on the pitch. Something has to be done to make players play and make football both more exciting and more equitable.
The penalty shoot-out is ridiculous in an era where we have the technology to monitor every encounter or clash in a game. The sin-bin and penalties should also be given by a fourth official monitoring TV pictures. All of this would help players, referees and coaches and assist the game at the time it is being played and stop the ridiculous penalty shoot out situation we currently have.
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In all this discussion about England's poor performance at pens there seems to be one point that all pundits, supporters etc seem to have missed, namely...
Take your pens in the right hand goal as we look at the screen!
The facts speak for themselves for all major international tournaments and European finals involving English clubs
Left hand goal...
1980 Arsenal v Valencia (ECWC) - lost
1990 England v W Germany (WC) - lost
1996 England v Germany (EC) - lost
1998 England v Argentina (WC) - lost
2004 England v Portugal (EC) - lost
2006 England v Portugal (WC) - lost
Right hand goal
1984 Tottenham v Anderlecht (UEFA) - won
1984 Liverpool v Roma (Euro Cup) - won
1996 England v Spain (EC) - won
2005 Liverpool v AC Milan (Euro Cup) - won
Think this is accurate as far as I can remember but stand to be corrected. Wish I had texted Sven to tell him.
BTW does anybody know who decides which goals the penalties are taken in in the first place? Does the ref decide or is it done by the toss of a coin?
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Honestly guys, I think this was England鈥檚 best performance so far! For the rest of the tournament I never really understood why England was one of the favourites 鈥 they were quiet lucky to get this far. Problem with penalties? Well, France didn鈥檛 need a penalty to kick out Brazil!
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I was there, Why do they spend so much money on an average trainer as Sven. They should have gone for Hiddink. When it comes to the crunch
you see players as Rooney and Beckham fail despite their millions. Hardgreaves showed at least spirit.
When will they learn to take penalties against a real keeper. They have now lost 4 WK's on penalties. Will they never learn to be proffessionals. Its apity for the 40,000 fans who went to the game
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I was sickened by this farce. David Beckham got up and did a speech against racism. The FIFA officials and referees do not obviously have to adhere to this too. The racism against African and English/German speaking teams is obvious. Italy will win. Not becuase they are the best, but because they have the most influence. This has been planned for a long time.
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I was sickened by this farce. David Beckham got up and did a speech against racism. The FIFA officials and referees do not obviously have to adhere to this too. The racism against African and English/German speaking teams is obvious. Italy will win. Not because they are the best, but because they have the most influence. This has been planned for a long time.
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Congratulations to both Portugal and Italy for keeping my Italy v Portugal final 50 to 1 bet alive...keep going lads !!!!
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Why can't the English win a major tournament? Because they want it too much...On the day of their defeat so many people here are already talking about winning Euro 2008 or "Come on England 2010". Give them a break! This team is not responsible for 40 years of international failure. Give them some time to lick their wounds, give the FA and the new manager time to develop new strategies for England, give younger players some time to establish themselves. This is not necessairly done within 2 years time.
Germany have had a dry spell since EC 1996. It took them 10 years to re-invent German football, a completely new squad with some players whose names were unknown by most Germans, and a very humble approach to big tournaments and they are finally on the winning side again.
Take some of the pressure off - Quarter-finals isn't such a bad result. There is plenty of room for improvement, so give them time to develop and grow and only start dreaming about winning a WC again once they play excellent football.
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post 211,lino:a team, a league, a nation of divers and cheaters,shirt pullers and referee buyers (oh, i'm sorry it's called being 'furbo' is it? If Italy win, I'll stop watching the WC altogether, I hope the germans put 5 past you and your league implodes in the corruption scandal. Italian saying: " if your neighbours house is on fire, throw water on your OWN house!" says it all really.
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Sven G has been rewarded 拢35 million for failing England. Let's not make him any richer by boycotting his book. NOBODY IN ENGLAND SHOULD BUY HIS BOOK.
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the best english team in 40 years? yes.
the best football team in world? certainly not!
How could they ever win having a manager who is so afraid of a loss?
All his tactics indicated he would be satisfied with a shoot-out but he doesn't have 5 players able to put it in the goal. what a shame.
England will be a much better team if they have a good manager who is atleast as geared up for a win as some of the players in the team.
goodluck for the future!
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Amasing...you blame everyone except yourselfs..the ref, ronaldo, portuguese team, etc...
you lost because you weren麓t good enough..your players are just like some of your fans, hooligans. be ashame... Your championship is a good one because you have great players like ronaldo, carvalho, ferreira, bos-morte, pedro mendes and other players from several countries of the world...not because your english players. Rooney is a kid with some problems, and he shouldn麓t play in your national team again...
the referee did the only thing he should do..senting off rooney..and FIFA must apply at lest 10 games without playing...he is a barbarian.
you must blame rooney, only rooney..
ricardo is one of the best goalkeepers in the world,scolari the best national team manager, figo a great player, ronaldo will be the best player in the world in a couple years..you should be proud having ronaldo playing in your league..
by the way, you have the best manager in your league also...is name is mourinho..and he is portuguese..did you know?
let麓s sing 芦 you are going home禄
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>> Hugo
Dont gloat. I would say you have a good team and I wish you well, but there's no need to twist the knife my friend.
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The world cup is won by the football team that has probably played better and /or had a lucky ride with the referee and if its left to penalties, a team that NEVER makes a mistake at least not 3!!! The teams at this level of the competition are all capable of winning the cup. I've just collected a nice sum from my friends who had all bet that Brazil would beat France, in the last two games the only side of those two(Brazil and France)that played as a team IMHO, had been France. In the end putting it together as a TEAM and not as a set of talented individuals put together to represent their country as had been Brazil. Who'll go through to the final? I'm betting on France and probably Italy...who are slowly getting it together, after some frightful combinations and if they play Inzaghi then probably they'll take the cup home
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I was shocked and saddened at the callous foul committed by Wayne Rooney, surely this should be penalised by his deselection for some of the future england games, a fine would be useless as the fines meted out are pitiful when you consider the earning capacity
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Angeline - it's a shame you can't download the book illegally...
35 million. that makes me feel a bit sick. doubtless some of it's come from taxpayer's money. I don't think the England manager should be paid. they should be pat time, allowing them to remain fresh and constantly making managerial decisions throughout the season. the players have to play constantly, why shouldn't the manager?
At the moment there are vast swathes of the season when the England manager is not required, yet he still gets paid 5 mil a year. doesn't seem right to me.
time for a change, and to stop putting money in people's pockets who don't deserve it.
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Reply to Hugo's post #232
I'm pretty sure if you had a fellow team mate in C.Ronaldo who bullied you with a teasing headbutt (illegal) and harrassed the referee into making a card decision (illegal), limitless Portuguese feigning injuries around the pitch stopping the flow of the game (illegal) - you would eventually turn into a barbarian too.
Sure we can blame Rooney, the fact of the matter is we won't in the long run. We've seen triple or quadruple worse within the tournament and nothing done about it.
I don't understand how FIFA can declare the goalscorers the next day (and still get them wrong) - but cannot discipline the divers and many of the other cheats the next day as well, that would rid of any thoughts of diving and unsportsman-like behaviour during the game.
I think the Referee was a bit harsh in his decisions and shouldn't have been there in the first place. An Argentinian Ref? Yeah that has no potential for being biased, right? I don't blame our loss on the referee however, it's simply down to Sven and not instilling any passion or cohesiveness within the team.
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i ceratainly hope the cup goes to Geramny mainly because i live here and secondly out of the four left, Germany and France have been more SPORTING throughout! The other two have been and will be a shame on the face of a beautifull game.
I wonder how much the portoguese are contributing to the unsporting behaviour in the EPL. Chelsea being the case and point being under the command of one!
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England are out, BYE!!!!!!!!
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SORRY PETER, but that's over the top! Racism against British and German speaking fans is obvious... obvious to whom? Italy is going to win because they have the most influence... Italy are going through yet another football scandal involving one of their most influential teams in Italy, so I don鈥檛 think their credibility is running too high at the moment with FIFA... If Italy wins, and that would have been a big IF a few days ago, it would be on merit, and hopefully the refereeing will be better鈥 (I don鈥檛 think you have to be reminded of the last world cup refereeing farce) where I think Italy paid a high price鈥
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Should Italy even be in the WC at the moment? If it were England, Blatter would have them out in a shot.
How many times has Italy been embroiled in scandals like these. Who is to say that they're not lining the officials pockets right now as we speak?
Come on Germany!!
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I wonder what will happen in 2008. Probably the english team will get lost after their 42nd try in penalties against the suisse team. And blame it on the unpredictable climate in that barbarian country of cheaters and because they have Wilhelm Tell and you have only Robin Hood, who by the way was an anglosaxon, which means that he was rather a german by heritage? So it's only natural that there was a conspiration against the brave english heroes?
And don't forget king Arthur. Wasn't there that continental womanizer who conspirated against his rightful king? He was french and what good could come from that?
And if you come to think about it, it goes way back to that italian conqueror, that cesar guy with his oriental bitch. Back then they probably fouled their way into your defence by divers and some viking warlords leading your great sides into the wrong direction.
So throughout history there were so many poeple to be blamed for your shortcomings that you will never run out of excuses. Isn't that a heart warming thought?
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In reply to Felix's post #241
*yawn*
Is there one post written by an English supporter that actually makes an excuse? Unlike you, Felix, most are constructive now go hide in a box and think about how you are being a numpty.
Come on Germany!
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Hibbo is absolutely right:
The referee decided this game by sending Rooney off, and creating a unfair, unbalanced game, all England could do was hold on for penalties.
The stamping was not intentional, Carvalho had trapped Rooney's leg between his two legs and was trying to wrestle free. The referee was just going to give a free kick to Portugal and sent Rooney off the push.
If anyone thinks that push is a red card offence, have a look at the push that Ronaldo does on a French defender in their semi-final.
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I am sorry to tell you this, but, the England team was highly overrated here in England. I am not English and I was reading the non-English websites and they were considering England as a decent team but, definitely not one of the big favourites. Anyway England do not have a winning mentality. Everyone knows they will lose if they go on penalties. Don't try to blame Ronaldo or the heat or anything else, stop looking for excuses! Why does it have to be someone blaming every time England is out of a big competition. Don't you understand that England does not have a team good enough to win the world cup. And that's because the English players are not winners. Stop having big expectations and be happy as being one of the best 8 teams in the world. That's the most England can reach.
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The writing was on the wall for England from day one,the wrong squad was taken, flair over substance indeed. How could Sven select his team without Johnson, Dafoe and Bent. Bent score the most goal as an English player this year for god's sake.why these three players were not good enough to represent England at the WC is a mystery! replaced by a kid two injured player and a six foot seven joker who after finally scoring his first goal for Liverpool was seen as an hero and that day a national holiday sort of. Two in the back of my head or this english squad, the dicision is easy, a no brainer if you would. Reality is what it is, you got what you deserved. Any team that playes one striker in this high level game doesn't deserved to win, it's a shameful display from England, you are not Trinidad and Tobago. Mr rooney you are a thug, and someone have to be brave enough to call you out, and stop providing sooo much excuse to cover up all his short comings, his reputation preceded him, he is a bully first, foot baller second. If you love this bloke then chastise him, what an ass, is this the attitude you want young english player to emulate ? This guy is so over rated and such a dunce, he needs more than a kick in his ass to wake him up, else he is going to hurt someone eventually an cost his club or Country games...help him to save his career, don't pat him on his ass.... kick him.
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I spent a week in Germany for this World Cup. One of the memories that will stay with me from this WC happend at the Dusseldorf train station. An old man (late 70's early 80's) was standing next the machine to buy tickets helping a throng of Trinitarians, Swedes and Ecuadorians get the right tickets at the right price. Someone asked him if he worked there and he answered no. I must admit I wondered what this man was doing 60 years ago ... who knows ... but now he was just a nice old man trying to help foreigners in his country. I for one will never call a Kraut a Kraut again.
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@donnyde, post #242
Sorry, it seems you've read some different thread. You should start reading it now.
Excuse #1: The ref betrayed England, a view not shared with many people outside your united(?) kingdom.
Excuse #2: The climate. Come on, It's Germany, not some tropical banana state. I've read somewhere today that the temperature has risen to some 30掳C today in England, now does this render all english people into tired, unfit sandbags like Beckham? What about Sweden? Did they fall to the heat when they played against the english side?
Excuse #3: The manager screwed it up, did ruin the team effort of "the best team ever" blabla. Isn't that the usual excuse for the teams who left early? Isn't that the usual excuse for the english team (who always leaves early)?
Excuse #4: Penalties are a lottery. They are not. Which is proven by the fact, that there is one team permanently losing them, which could not be if it were purely by accident that a team wins or loses them.
Excuse #5(and the most feeble one): The southern mentality of diving, cheating etc. deprived England of her rightful victory. How is it then, that other non-southern teams can win and stay in the contest?
Read this or any other thread and you will find many more excuses.
Maybe I'm a cynic but what I wrote with respect to the english team still is valid. The whole world laughs at the self declared "best ever" blabla team. Each tournament turns out to be THE one. "Now England will win it. We have the best team / best players / whatever best XYZ there is".
Nobody can respect people who consistently overrate themselves and, when it comes to losing, blame others for their own misachievements. Sorry, that's how it is, I can't help it. And I can't help it but I feel schadenfreude when it comes to the usual rituals after the english team's usual early exit. I could feel with you if you parted in dignity, but you don't. It's as simple as that.
Get rid of the paranoia, the self pity and the arrogance. As long as this won't happen, the english team will be a running joke in every tournament. Besides, losing in the "lottery" every time is a running joke in itself.
Have a nice time til 2008
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i'm sick and tired of watching a lot of u blaming C Ronaldo, the ref cuz is an argentinian and bla bla bla!
shame on u ppl!
i must agree with Hugo > coment 231.
i wrote black on white, i would say
i hope u don't ruin c ronaldo's work in manchester with your hanger for going home sooner than u expected, cuz in that case it would be better to him (NOT TO MAN. OR ENLGAND)leave england...
in my earlier coment (146) i said i prefer that i stays in your league cuz u have the best league
if goes to spain i hope to barcelona cuz i say it again: real madrid is a circus (they play for advertising not 4 football)
now i have scolari, but 1 day we will have MOURINHO, and than u will wish too mourinho has england's manager.
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England are goin home, BYE!!!
English media is so arrogant!
BYE!!
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Now that it is all over for England our family feels bereaved. Congratulations to 91热爆 for all of its coverage and blogging. At one stage Paul Fletcher invited us to suggest what you should be doing, so how about this for an idea. Fix a football match 91热爆 against others (either media from other countries of fans. Don't have any of the former pro's, just your authors both male and female (after all you have a good many female players amongst you. To ensure no injuries, if a player gets to within two yards of the one with the ball then that one has to pass immediately. Finally, and most importantly make a video or dvd of the game and sell it for charity. I will buy ten copies.
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To whom it may concern!
Britain or Uk are collective names for Scotland,Wales,Northern Ireland and england
Therefore, england does not=British or UK team
Please dont associate English arrogance with other British/uk countries
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Know-it-all Portugese gloaters your team only won on pens against ten men England. Hardly cause for your arrogance .
You think your special, superior to us impotent English but I didn't see much to get excited about. You've cheated, nutted and begged your way through, this is what passes for pride in your country ?
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> OmegaSupreme
if u wanna compare arrongance levels forget portugal cuz we won't be on the list
"You've cheated, nutted and begged your way through..." u said.
can any 1 be more arrogant than that?
can that give proves to support this theory?
of course not
i feel sorry 4 u
at this moment our pride goes to personal and technical qualities of our players (wich no 1 can deny them) and we can't forget Big Phil
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So it looks like we have another enemy. Good the more the better.
Bruno your post demonsrates your implicit arrogance. Your so caught up in your love for yourself that you can't even see it !!! I don't hate them though, I pity the fools.
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Penalties shoot out takes a test of the fate of both the teams. Through this so called tiebreaker a match not only breaks the state of the tie situation but also breaks thousands, a millions of mind and also turns an exciting environment for the millions of mind. Here, pressure and luck come over the performance of a footballer. Football bears a long history where it is seen that many star players missed penalty that turned the dream of his team to an end. It is true that England team was not their full face from the beginning of the tournament but fans have some anticipation to see the players in their own style. Michael Owen, Rooney and Nueveil had to struggle against the injury. Now they have nothing to do without keeping another hope for the next world cup with South Africa with their new coach and captain.
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Hi, I'm argentinian and I wanted to say that I also think selecting an argentinian referee was not the right way to go. I also believe as somebody said, that Rooney was fired for his "push" to the little boy "Cristiano Ronaldo", I wouldn't usually use those terms, but saddly I think that Portugal performance is pettyful if not disgusting, they are crying their way to the top, and that is certainly not football. Saddly they have good players (Ronaldo, Figo, Deco, etc) but they seem to be more interested in acting, begging and crying than playing football.
Thanks and cheers.
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agreed totally for Ur fair comment.
in the hindsight, i think , u had been generous. In our sub-continent we would have considered rooney for a cricket ball boy; temperament & penalty kick skills are not overnight stuff....Even in my university matches, both in Cricket, football and sometimes hockey...there was a lot of passion, planning.. routine stuff of taking penalties, goal keeping & wicket keeping by rotation for all players....just to hold on in case of need
England proved they are football pedestrians- sorry to say bluntly...u are very less in passion when compared to even Scots or Ireland team
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Portuguese Fan here.
Sven made some mistakes wich hampered Englands style of play.
In the beggining of the game it was apparent that it was going to be a game of patience. England still was not perfect coordinating their players and Portugal missed some of its key players fallen causualties of the previous game. Because of this the game has been much more balanced then it would be in other circuntances.
Svens mistakes were made obvious by Bekhams' exit and Rooneys sent off because they actualy played better with 10 mens wich forced them to use a different tactic, probably more suitable than what they had used untill then.
I dont think playing like greece suits England, nor will it provide good spectacle.
With tired Portuguese players there was no way to pierce through all those legs on the English box, much the same way that tactic prevented England to dominate the midle field.
Reading the English press any foreigner is lead to believe only one team was playing, and Portugal only shown to have a part of villains as if we were talking about Robin hoods verus cheriffs of Nottingham.
I Only wish apparent amateur sensasionalism wasnt so widespread in England. And I stronlgy believe the war of words (unilatrealy made I must add) was part of the reason why england failed. There was too much pressure put on the players with hype that realy had no realistic legs to stand on from the very start of the campaign. They missed the penalties and that made this pretty evident.
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@Felix, post #247
Excuse #1: The ref betrayed England, a view not shared with many people outside your united(?) kingdom.
Many outside the UK wouldn't have a clue about hostilities with Argentina, whether it would be about football or international matters. An Argentinian ref in many eyes here would see that it would not serve as impartiality. I for one do not blame the ref though.
Excuse #2: The climate. Come on, It's Germany, not some tropical banana state...
True. It was an excuse for one poor performance, but they also said they wouldn't use that as an excuse again. FIFA also doesn't help by restricting water to the players which is everybody's basic human right to have.
Excuse #3: The manager screwed it up, did ruin the team effort of "the best team ever"...
This isn't an excuse - it's fact. I'm not saying we would have won the world cup otherwise but with so many different formations, obscene substitutions, weird squad selections, no cohesiveness, and Rooney up front on his own, it shows that, and most pundits would agree, that Sven didn't have a clue. All this with a wealth of match winners at his disposal may have produced some nice football - but not under Sven's command. Sven's career highlight is beating a depleted German squad 5-1 who were at their lowest ebb.
Excuse #4: Penalties are a lottery...
True, they're not a lottery... but there is no denying there is an element of luck involved, ie. a GK's hand to deflect a shot onto the crossbar - could easily go either way. Otherwise we'd have X-Files on Ricardo and his telepathic abilities.
Excuse #5(and the most feeble one): The southern mentality of diving, cheating etc...
It's not feeble. Diving/cheating is exactly that and ruins many games, it maybe part and parcel of football but why should the odds be stacked in favour of the team that cheats and gets away with it. It certainly ruins my game when watching some sod faking and crying his eyeballs out every 5 minutes. Should we have Maradona's hand of god every day in football, I'm not sure about your answer but I think a lot of people would like to see that kind of stuff just go away.
As per your original post at #241 it wasn't pertinent nor constructive and says it all really as I could have constructed the same post in honour of your numptiness :D
However post #247 did show some logic and reasoning and is what we expect when reading a blog such as this.
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Quote from Paul Armtorong Journalist:
"Two years ago I wrote this article - change a few words and it is as relevant today as it was then."
And I quote a passage of that article
"His decision to rule out Campbell's last-minute header for a push that only he seemed to see makes the bitter pill of defeat even harder to swallow. "
Heh, you still believe Capbell didnt commit a foul? Why didnt you provided footage, just the same way 91热爆 had used Ronaldos widely publicitized eye wink?
All I could see on british press was a rather convinient view full of blind spots hiding Campbels arm pushing Ricardo down as he is denied to grasp the ball when otherwise he would. We had tons of view angles and replays here. Englands Journalists seem to suffer from lack of points of view, Literaly.
Typical escape goat excuse and then Portugal is the once being accused of cheating its way into games.
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Advice to Portugal. You did well today beating England. But remember that you have the talent to win without cheating. Ronaldo is a nice player and sportsman. Don't follow the cheating hordes of Italian players, fans and officials who will do anything to win. Any respect I had for Italy is now completely gone. My only regret that England and Brazil have gone is that it makes less teams to beat Italy.
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Paul Armstrong watch this, see the last 15 seconds (0:35). If you think it was a legal goal then you should re evaluate you defenition of cheats, as well as your journalist carreer, get some dose of impartiality pills.
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Reply to Pete.
I hear your advice but then I have to infor you the following. If you watched Portugals games so far, in the Last Euros too, youll see portugals dynamic in the game and fair play is a mirror of its oponents.
Holland game was awfull but I dont tthink Portugal deserves a rep of had cheated on the england game nor in the other games.
Potugals conduct on Englands game was pretty much clean as you can see on the maes statistics.
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> OmegaSupreme
about our enemies i can't help
i wanna say that the line where u sai 'implicit arrogance' means a failed attempt of offence
it represents a lesser education that only u will be able to solve
there is no arrogance or blind love
in this WC i only hate 1 person: ivanov, the ref of portugal-neetherlands that made a terrible work (and he was sent home)
we should pity the fools
fortunatly there is nothing to be pity of when we speak about our match
i think it was a good game, i like england as a country, like lampard but not much beckham
i'm sure england will be in euro2008, will see if we keep scolari...
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The writing was on the wall for England from day one, the wrong squad was taken, flair over substance indeed. How could Sven select his team without Johnson, Dafoe and Bent? Bent scores the most goals as an English player this year for god's sake. Why these three players were not good enough to represent England at the WC is a mystery! Replaced by a kid, two injured player and a six foot seven joker, who after finally scoring his first goal for Liverpool was seen as a hero and that day a national holiday鈥 sort of. Two in the back of my head or this English squad, the decision is easy, a no brainier if you would. Reality is what it is, you got what you deserved. Any team that played one striker in this high level game doesn't deserved to win (except France, because Henry a very skilled and creative player, plays all over the field and just doesn鈥檛 sits and wait for the ball) it's a shameful display from England, you are not Trinidad and Tobago. Mr. Rooney you are a thug, as someone kindly put it 鈥 a raging Mike Tyson鈥 and someone have to be brave enough to call you out, and stop providing relentless excuses to cover up all your short comings, your reputation preceded you, you are a bully first, player second. If you love this bloke then chastise him, what an ass, is this the attitude you want young English player to emulate? This guy is so over rated and such a dunce, he needs more than a kick in his ass to wake him up, else he is going to hurt someone eventually an cost his club or Country games...help him to save his career, don't pat him on his ass.... kick him.
sadden
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Quote: "i dont belive ronaldo how can he do that to his own team mate and also how yet again can we go out on penaltys, i feel sick"
Please before is team mate there is his country! And I think rooney deservet it that was a very ugly fault!
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GO PORTUGAL!
Regardless of Rooney shoving Ronaldo after the groin incident, Rooney was going to get red carded either way. He just added to it with the shove. So no one should be worried about Ronaldo's reaction. Rooney is an asshole, raging with testosterone...and regarding the "ratting out the team mate" b.s. with Ronaldo and Rooney, these players should focus on carrying their country to the finals, not avoiding conflict with their club team mates. Ronaldo should leave United on his own.
Oh man, and the Netherlands-Portugal game was a hilarious! I couldn't watch it live, but hearing all the fuss about Portugal did this, Portugal did that - I was dying to watch the game! Then, I did. Why Portugal is at fault here?? There was no cheating on Portugal's side. It is evident that EVERY WC player is also an actor. It's the way the game goes. Get over it.
In closing, Portugal is an amazing team, with a spectacular goalie and coach. They deserve to be in the semi-finals, and they have the ability to take the 2006 WC title as do France, Italy, and Germany, which I hope they do!!! :)
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A lot of the attention here has focused on Englands failings at the hands of their dismal manager, Sven, the bad coaching strategies, the bad officiating and above all, the lack of their top players bringing their best to the World Cup. A lot of this is true, England has failed despite what looks like one of the best teams on paper. Being a big Liverpool fan I was delighted to see gerrard, Crouch and Carragher involved in this team, howwver after the Portugal game it was sad to see two of them underperform.
Nevertheless, I believe that England iwll bounce back with a new manager, why not try to rope in Sir Alex as a potential coach...he has done wonders for Man Utd.
Anywhow, at teh end of all things, Portugal reined, and despite what appeared to be some cheap antics, a lot of people have forgotten how bravely their Goalie, Ricardo almost singlehandedly saved the day. Sometimes this happens, its the way football is played, a team sport that capitalizes on individual talent, why else would we focus so much on individual talent.
And as for Rooney and Ronaldo, isnt it admirable that they both appeared to be two of the most proud players fighting for each of theiur countries , despite sharing the field at Man Utd. Isnt this the world cup after all, where Country comes before Club....
France wins it all btw
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..his reign as a disappointment'.
Disappointment???
What about abject failure by the biggest con man in the sad history of the FA and who's main interests were money and women ??
You need another career.
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Well, Terry Butcher, i think you had a field day after England's exit with David Bekham's inspiration/
Betty
Kampala, Uganda
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A final word on the play acting (cheating) is Heather blind does she not understand that rolling diving clutching your face when minimal contact was made should be left to hollywood actors and not 'sportsmen' no matter what team its is where or when there is no place for it in sport.. but is football sport? With the millions even billions of euros riding on the outcome of a game the pressure to 'win' an advantage for your team no matter how spurious is all important for some and something the fans will ignore (if not condone) when that player is wearing the colors of thier country. England has its divers but compared to other teams they are amatures.
As a Man Utd fan I love to watch Ronaldos skills on the pitch but there is many a game we see him simulating injury when there was none. This is a part of the game introduced to English football from the continent, you only have to go back to the 90's to see how the English 'used' to play the game. If Ronaldo was up against Wimbledon and Vinny Jones he would not be simulating injury he would be injured. There is a balance to be found between protecting players from the likes of the Vinny Jones's of football and the play acting that is becomming rife, FIFA don't seem to be able to find an answer but are they trying hard enough or is it that simulation is here to stay.
Of the four teams left in the Wk Germany have shone for me by playing the game as it was intended, and as an Englishman it does not come naturaly for me to cheer for the Germans, but what the hell... COME ON GERMANY.
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Bob how do you get through life with that massive chip weighing you down.
Do you take such delight in the misfortune of others because you have such a sad life yourself.
If anyone comes across as arrogant it is you
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Racism and self-righteousness, that's England in football. Portugal and Portuguese teams have defeated you so many times lately and the only thing you can say is that you are pure and unblemished and we are a bunch of cheaters. Yet you are the hooligans that terrorize supporters of other teams and spread mayhem everywhere you go. Half of the security apparatus in any major tournament is there because of you. You go to other countries to insult people (I was in the netherlands in EURO2000 to hear the beautiful songs your supporters sang about the Dutch, the Germans and, specially, the Turks). Your newspapers are pure rubbish, inciting despite against all your oponnents. On 91热爆, you can see your great heroes of yore inciting to violence (see Shearer about Rooney and Ronaldo ). Your players do extremely violent faults on the field (if rooney couldn't play football he would certainly have been one of those english "supporters" who like to get drunk and break skulls). But I guess that's all and well and manly and brave and in your eyers we will continue to defeat you many times and we will be the dogs without honour and you the knightly "fairplayers".
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As a portuguese i think both teams played their games, without evident supremacy for any of them until the rooney situation. After Rooney incident (an agression) a red card was well shown to him ( an agression in football is suposed to be punished with the respective red card) The fact that ronaldo went to protest denotes his age and lack of maturity, but he also has good reason to do so, after all what rooney did has NO excuse and players with that type of temper should be banned from any sport. After it, portugal dominated and looked for the goal playing only with 2 defenses, so dont say that england deserved to win, because i have seen teams playing with 10 men and being able to mantain the game in the midfield at least until the 90minutes end. Blame rooney for your insucess and dont take away all the portuguese squad merit. Thank you
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Hey Wop I'm English and have lived in Spain for ten years and now live in Holland, yes the English do have a problem with thugs and drink but we have also done the most to stop this. Dutch fans are some of the biggest hooligans in europe just not on a national level, a few years ago in a clash between Ajax and Fynoord fans two people were shot, in Istanbul Liverpool fans where stabbed etc, etc. its not just the English.
I have a friend who goes to every English game he told me that he met a group of Slovac's who came to Englands games wearing English shirts so that when they got into fights every one would think they were English.
Nothing is as simplistic as you seem to believe, the Spanish coach was held before FIFA for racism against France and what was his punishment? A small fine.
Perhaps the English are a violent tribe but we also make loyal friends, remember your history Portugal and England have been Allies for hundreds of years this will not change and nor should it.
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This entire world cup has be ruined for me by the constant cheating of virtually every team at every stage.
Diving used to be just to get a penalty, now its just so you dont have to actually take on a challenge. It seems to make no difference where you are in the field.
But it has to be said England (who are by no means perfect) tend to stay on thier feet.
Bite the bullet and go down like a sack of spuds lads, FIFA will ensure you are rewarded!
And as for 'Wop' who's previous post accuses us as racism, look at our team, you would be hard pressed to find a more ethnically diverse team on the world stage.
And for the record, Portugal are at the forefront of tactical cheating. Did you watch the holland game?!
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England seem to have mastered the art of being unable to score to perfection, whether it be from the penalty spot or open play. Poor Frank Lampard had so many chances, it is incredible that at least one did not find the net. As for Portugal, they are a very average side and I don't see them living with France the form Zidane is in. Mind you I don't think England (had they got through) would fare any better. If Portugal try any of their cheating/ bullying tactics against France they are wasting their time, the French players are far too mature and grown up. Portugal have shamed international football too many times - vs. the Netherlands in this WC, and against France in Euro 2000. Good riddance, and I hope Portugal are trounced by France.
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What I dont understand is why people are so surprised by Englands loss when we haven't been been amongst the top teams in Europe, let alone the world for 40 years.
And in the not to distant future we will realise just what a con David Beckham has been. Any of the mid-fielders could execute one out of thirty attempts on goal and very few would offer as little in any other respect. As for Sven, the whole episode has been a bad joke.
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Many times I saw Portugal played like England played when they had only 10 players, they gave all they got but didn't managed to win. It's football(soccer) it's life...
In my honest opinion (even beeing Portuguese) England deserved to win for their second part effort, on the other hand I'm happy they didn't and how the game ended in penalties and for Ricardo beeing the hero of the game. Most probably don't know what this last 2 years (since Euro2004) have been for Ricardo, he failed some easy defenses in the Portuguese league games and was joked about, he was a laughing stock and people easy forget what he did on Euro2004, now he showed everyone in Portugal what kind of goalkeeper he is and I hope those who joked and laughed now eat their words.
About rooney and ronaldo, I think he deserved the red card he is an emotional player with temper from the heat of the game and he did it on purpose, ronaldo did what any other player whould do, most of the people and the English press complains because he is playing in England and on Manchester like Rooney, if he was in Spain the name Ronaldo would never been mentioned.
Good luck for England I love many of their players except for the pretty beckham boy that is great only on free kicks and whining.
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I'm just a Yank who was watching the games States side on ABC and sometimes ESPN. I am still learning the various rules of soccer..er..'football'...but I am enjoying the game.
Some questions: Injury time after the 90 minutes are up...only the Referee knows? Really?! No fouls called if you are caught deliberately faking an injury which I believe that you refer to as a 'Dive'? If you're going to sucker an official and fake an injury and get caught doing it I believe that YOU deserve the red or yellow card...no? It seemed that dehydration was a constant threat to all competitors in the stiffling semi-enclosed stadiums in Germany...why is rehydration given so sparingly? Rooney was doing a great job of fending off 2..3 Portugal players before the "Opps" stomp to the groin, right in front of the Referee..not smart, sorry guys.
BTW, if you feel like the English team played like a Pub squad...I guess the U.S. team played like...what? Cheer up, they didn't win it all but played ...fairly well.
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!!!
ur blind, u think ur superior than every one else, and u need to blame some 1 wich no 1 untherstands...
Charlie G said: "portugal has shamed international football too many times - vs holland in this WC..."
ARE U SURE? ARE U BLIND? like neetherland' squad i guess u english ppl don't have fair play
u don't no how to lose
well portugal's know how to lose, we know our value and we know recognise other's value cuz we are humbles
once for all: u can't be the best every time
i like england's squad but u are making me feel sorry 4 u...
just a small part of u have good sense when they talk about the match
u are supose to behave like a developped society, mentality. why don't u behave like that now???
came on
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i forgot to say that if portugal doesn't go to the final i hope that france wins the WC just for zidane end his career in the best way.
bonne chance portugal
bonne chance france
j'attends un bon jeu 茅gal ou meilleur que de l'englaterra
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hahahahahaha. bye bye
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