How the Pumas found their claws
On a cold November day 19 years ago, England took on Argentina at Twickenham and dished out a 51-0, seven-try spanking. History, you can confidently wager, is unlikely to repeat itself this Saturday.
In a country where soccer has always dominated, Argentine rugby football is in the ascendant. Two places higher than England in the , coming off two wins in their last three against the hosts and with their best players in demand at the game's richest clubs, this generation of Pumas will not roll over and have their bellies tickled.
That Argentina's rugby team could be more successful on the international stage than its football team represents one of the more remarkable stories in sport. And it is not something that has happened by accident.
"Rugby has been growing worldwide, but in Argentina it's probably grown more than anywhere else," says one of the key men in Argentina's wonderful run to third place in the last World Cup.
"We now have a club structure in place that is almost unbelievable. It's probably one of the strongest set-ups in the world."
Former England and Leicester scrum-half was assistant coach to Manuel Loffreda during the World Cup and is currently head of the country's new high-performance programme.
"The strength of the game here now is phenomenal," he says. "There are 60,000 people regularly playing the game, 400 Argentines involved in professional rugby at some level in Europe and over 80 thriving clubs in Buenos Aires alone. The club game is booming.
"It's the best amateur league in the world. The sacrifice and passion of the players, coaches and officials is unmatched."
While the overall numbers might still be small in comparison to some Test nations (England has around five times as many players involved at amateur level), they are on the up. One Buenos Aires club alone, San Isidro, has 1300 youngsters from the age of eight to 18 within its set-up.
"The country is obsessed with football, big-time, but rugby is second in popularity, and a lot of people are very passionate about it," current Pumas skipper Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe told me on Thursday, standing outside Twickenham surrounded by happy Argentine fans after a photoshoot for adidas.
"These days rugby is a very open sport. It's all different social classes too - higher classes, lower classes. It's seen as a very valuable sport, with good values, and a help to society, and that's helped its spread. It's seen as a way of life, not just a sport."
Once encouraged into the game, the most promising 100 young players aged 17 and under are fast-tracked through a scheme looked after by the great Agustin Pichot, scrum-half and skipper to the national side for most of the past decade until his retirement last year.
"It helps them train, they help them get food, they help them get rest - they help with everything," says Lobbe.
"That means all the young players are now really well prepared. They're part of the system and they know everything, so that makes the senior team much better.
"Now you will always find new players coming through. The new system allows young players to be as good as they can be - they can now really achieve their potential."
Whereas in the past Argentina could only produce the occasional world-class player - take an extended bow, - they now have a strength in depth that is the envy of many better-financed rugby nations. Their second-string, the Jaguars, won the first Americas Rugby Championship last month, and while the elite squad will certainly miss the injured Contepomi, Juan Martin Hernandez, Lucas Amorosino and Gonzalo Camacho on Saturday, it has not been fatally weakened.
Number eight Lobbe, front-row stalwarts like Rodrigo Roncero, Martin Scelzo and Mario Ledesma, lock Patricio Albacete and Harlequins centre Gonzalo Tiesi are all at least the equal, if not superior, to their opposite numbers in white.
"You watch these guys train," says Jonny Wilkinson of his Toulon team-mates Lobbe and Contepomi, "and you think, 'Thank God they are on my side'."
Of the 29 players in the Pumas squad for this tour, 21 ply their club trade overseas. For Contepomi, this has been a key factor in his country's dramatic improvement.
"It's huge," he says. "If you look at who our best international victories have been against, most of them have been over European countries. That comes because you play against those players week in, week out. If you can beat them at club level, you ask yourself, why can't we beat them at international level.
Argentina's win over England at Twickenham in 2006 was the springboard for success at the 2007 World Cup
"The players are now preparing better individually. The team as a whole can then play better.
"It's about being confident that you can play against the best and give them a good run. Sometimes you'll win, sometimes you'll lose, but no longer will you be going just to play a game - you'll know you could actually win a competition.
"All that unconscious fear of playing super-power players goes because you're competing against them all the time. To compare, we haven't played anyone in the Tri-Nations for the last two years, so every time we then play them we think we're playing against supermen."
Success has bred success. That three years ago and the wins over Ireland and hosts France - twice - at the World Cup has fostered both an outstanding team spirit ("They have something very special - it is a pity you can't bottle it and sell it, because you'd make a fortune," says Cusworth) and fuelled the boom back home.
"It (the World Cup) was massive," says Lobbe. "There was a lot of happiness in Argentina, and it was very positive for the team, because it showed that when you work hard and stick with the right path you can achieve results. It was quite amazing."
All this hard work could yet go to waste, however. Argentina still only play friendlies against the top Test teams between World Cups. While they have a provisional invitation from Australia, New Zealand and South Africa , there are still some major financial and television issues to be resolved.
"We need to play in an annual international competition," says Contepomi. "It's absolutely vital that we join the Tri-Nations in 2012. At the moment we're far behind those other nations, but I think if you keep competing against them every year we'll become better.
"At home, we need to make further improvements. We have to be realistic - rugby is a professional game worldwide, and if we want to keep up we have to be professional too. We must keep the old values, but that's the way it's going.
"Then I would like to see one or two Argentina-based franchises getting involved in the Super 14. There will be the first few years of a learning-curve, but then we will be much better for it."
Before all that, of course, comes the chance to inflict a second successive defeat on Martin Johnson's team. Even with their injury-hit team, the current generation can sense another famous win.
"It's going to be tough but we believe everything is possible," says Lobbe.
"For us Twickenham is the cathedral of rugby," smiles Contepomi. "It's an honour to play there, but there's no fear."
Comment number 1.
At 12th Nov 2009, Hookers_armpit wrote:Hmmm... you wonder why England assume victory and would find defeat intolerable. They could really have us on toast up front at the minute and that really could be trouble...
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Comment number 2.
At 12th Nov 2009, Chacho wrote:Che, I wonder if the Pumas will do to England what England did to the Wallabies in RWC07, when Sheridan bullied the weak Oz front row and Jonny kicked the Wallabies out of the cup. Engand have dished this out, but have never had it done to them. The Pumas have previous on this: in RWC99 they were losing to Samoa in Llanelli (after Samoa had beaten Wales in that brilliant match) and they simply turned the screw in the scrum and got Quesada to kick 6 or 7 penalties, all the wile ensuring the ball NEVER got out to Tuigamala who was prowling menacingly but utterly uselessly behind his pack.
We have the best front-row in the world out on Saturday, but the Pumas look weaker in all other positions across the back-line. But remember, the Oz back-line looked much better on paper than the English one in RWC07.
So, it could be a horrible match to watch, and watch out England.
VAMOS PUMAS carajooooooo !
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At 12th Nov 2009, Chacho wrote:Sorry if I wasn;t clear: "We have the best front-row in the world out on Saturday" - by "We" I mean the PUMAS!
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At 13th Nov 2009, Jeff Vincent wrote:I think we guessed you probably didn't mean England!
However, I've never seen an England front row that wasn't competitive, and I have a sneaking suspicion that even with so many players missing they'll manage to do ok against the Argentinian front row.
I expect England, as the home team, to manufacture a territorial advantage and to squeak a win by kicking penalties. I'd be happy to be completely wrong, however.
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Comment number 5.
At 13th Nov 2009, boils wrote:Get Argentina in the 6 Nations asap.
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Comment number 6.
At 13th Nov 2009, monners1969 wrote:The English set up is wobbling with the amount of injuries, the RFU missed the boat when the sport went professional and English rugby is now paying the price as the premiership becomes more powerful
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At 13th Nov 2009, No time for questions wrote:Whenever I see the Pumas play their cracking brand of rugby after their usual half day of preparation, all I can think is that the less time England spend with John Wells the better...
I'm English, but the Argentina side are a personal favourite as they play in the same colours as my club! Great to see them so strong.
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Comment number 8.
At 13th Nov 2009, Betsenbell wrote:Waldo0
Cracking brand of rugby?
IMO the pumas dont play attractive rugby and are a dull team to watch.
Yes they can grind out wins but i'd never go as far as saying they play a cracking brand of rugby.
If England Improve on their AUS performance my score prediction would be 24-16 to England.
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Comment number 9.
At 13th Nov 2009, powerfulLeedsRhinos wrote:To number2 England will demolish you as Argentina are absolutly bad at rugby. To number5 Argentina are a non Eropean side because the one that will qaulify is as follows:
Georgia
Romania
Portugal
Spain
This is because they all had goes in the World Cup.
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Comment number 10.
At 13th Nov 2009, njt221 wrote:First - Tom - Les Cusworth was a fly-half not a scrum-half
Second: Argentina deserve ALL the plaudits for their progress. If Rugby is to develop worldwide it has to go through the process of 'minnows' beating the big boys so that the jaundiced attitude of the establishment sit up and take notice. Argentina have laid down a gauntlet of sorts in this regard. If folks feel that their rugby is unattractive it may be because to earn the respect they now command you have to win 'ugly' to impress the establishment, the media, and the fans - something the Pumas recent WC results have done IN SPADES!
Swing low Pumas!!!!!
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At 13th Nov 2009, LawrieReilly wrote:Boils:
"Get Argentina in the 6 Nations asap."
Surely Argentina would be more likely to join the Tri Nations?
Better match on climate, travel, hemisphere.
And certainly a much better fit talent wise these days.....
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At 13th Nov 2009, TheSomersetNinja wrote:PowerfulLeedsRhinos - if you think Argentina are "bad at rugby" and England will demolish them you probably don't follow much in the way of rugby. They don't have the resources of major nations, they don't have the regular competition - and yet they are higher than England in the IRB rankings. Which implies that England aren't that great themselves. 8th, aren't they?
Please give constructive criticism, not blinkered rhetoric.
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At 13th Nov 2009, Tom Fordyce wrote:Any more predictions for Saturday? I think England are likely to edge a bit of a stodgefest. A rain-sodden stodgefest, if the forecast is to be believed.
njt221 - of course he was. My error. Watched him drop enough goals down the years. Think my head was full of Pichot.
Rob - agreed.
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At 14th Nov 2009, TheBoatman wrote:Argentina will beat england same old words The player know and frount up, focused talke talke talke . Stop playing the game by numbers play with flair passion and natural ablity ,now get on with it
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At 14th Nov 2009, Kristofer wrote:The game will most definitely be a close affair. However, I dont see england as having the continuity (combination of the injuries and having to throw partnerships together in the backline), that the argentine team will have. Their ability to grind out wins, which has been criticised by some of the posts above is amusing, as England have been famous for playing "up the shirt" rugby.
I think it will be a good game, it will come down to the front 5, who has control, who is then able to produce the quick ball. The Argentines can lack discipline... certainly with Wilko back in the team England will be well placed to punish any penalties that come their way. England are going to have to be patient, play a tight game and then look to ship the ball at the right times. They are going to have to play some "boring" rugby as it were, in order to 1. frustrate the argentines and win penalties, 2. to avoid being isolated, turned over and giving penalties themselves. Patience is definitely going to be the key virtue to a win for England.
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