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Interesting times

Alistair Burnett Alistair Burnett | 14:30 UK time, Thursday, 25 September 2008

This week on The World Tonight we are looking in depth at Belarus - the country of 10 million people between Russia and Poland, that's been run by its authoritarian President, Alexander Lukashenko, for the past 14 years.

The World TonightGabriel Gatehouse has been on the quality of life; the first moves to privatisation; and assessing the prospects for liberalisation of the political scene.

In many ways Belarus has changed less since the collapse of the USSR than any of its neighbours, including Russia. The Belarus government has been heavily criticised by the West - both the European Union and the United States - who accuse Mr Lukashenko of repression of his political opponents and human rights abuses.

The US Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, has called Belarus "the last dictatorship in Europe" and an "outpost of tyranny" and both Washington and Brussels have imposed sanctions on the country.

Alexander LukashenkoThis weekend, parliamentary elections will be held which are not expected to be free and fair and unlikely to bring much change to an assembly packed with supporters of the president. So are Western governments calling for free elections? Well, yes of course. Are they talking tough with Mr Lukashenko? Well, no.

We live in interesting times. The US recently sent a senior State Department official to Minsk for talks on improving relations and lifted some sanctions and the EU is now discussing relaxing sanctions on Minsk too.

So what has changed? The answer seems to lie in geopolitics, rather than any significant change inside Belarus.

Mr Lukashenko used to be a close ally of Moscow, until the Russians said they wanted Belarus to start paying market rates for its gas imports, this has led to some rethinking in Minsk. Then in August, the Georgia-Russia conflict flared and Western countries reacted with alarm at Moscow's new assertiveness.

Coincidentally or not, it's since that conflict that the West has been making its overtures to Belarus and Mr Lukashenko has responded by releasing some prominent political detainees, including the man who ran against him in the last presidential election.

Some observers say the EU and US are warming to Belarus because they see the chance to drive a wedge between Minsk and Moscow and weaken Russia's attempt to re-establish its traditional sphere of influence in Eastern Europe.

Interesting times.

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    Alistair Burnett :

    Thanks for the interesting blog, and i wish i could listen to the programme!

  • Comment number 2.

    Yeah, I see the West is trying to charm our Belarus away. Same understanding here.

    And it doesn't matter democratic is that Rus. neighbour to be used as a tool, or not.

    Will do to annoy Russia? Diagnosed Democratic.

    Doesn't want to be used? A sick place. Tyrrany.

  • Comment number 3.

    I wish to add that in Russian supermarkets we give priority to Belorussian foods.

    Lukashenko is strict, they still make foods acc. to old Soviet GOST (state standard), which means no chemicals, additives, and ther sausage won't consist entirely of water, "meat taste" something, and E345353456464675655. But of meat.

    Russia doesn't control its companies, make whatever by own recepies. The results are tasty but suspicious. And old Soviet "gost" on a tin or a bottle is quality guaranteed.

    And their sweets are nice. And baby-food real. And tinned milk made of milk, not of "oils" + milk. There are some advantages of staying "the last ? un-democracy?"

    And their streets are clean.

  • Comment number 4.

    #3. And if you believe that....

    All substances in the universe are chemicals. If belorussian sausage is 'chemical free' then it would have to be an absolute vacum.

    Incidentally you may wish to remember that belarus got 70% of the fallout from Chernobyl. Given the half life of strontium is about 40 years and that it contaminated much of the grazing in Southern Scotland I may steer clear of that baby milk.

  • Comment number 5.

    Yes, Peter, but may be the case is that what our local Russian producers put into the tins and bottles - is worse than strontium!

  • Comment number 6.

    #5.. fair enough!

  • Comment number 7.

    Re Chernobyl fallout onto Belarus. You are very right. Now I remembered all used to go to the market place before with ? Geyger that device, to check radioactivity.
    Normal babushka-s and dedushka-s (oldgranddams and grandfathers) got equipped with these devices and were checking carrots and potatoes in the market.

    The sellers were putting carton boards:"Carrots from Krasnodar."
    or "Beetroot from Moldova." Approx.

    And nobody trusted them, suspected it's all Belorussian, just written it is from other places. Ukraine was poisoned as well.

    But recently we haven't heard of Belarus products "ringing" (beeping) (that device) and got kind of relaxed.

    Only suspect and run away from their mashrooms. Mashrooms somehow keep radiation longer and better than any other food. So pickled mushrooms are suspected, and fresh ones and dry ones.

    (Rusians eat heaps of various mushrooms, not champignons only. But unless collected by yourself - all suspicious.)

  • Comment number 8.

    So we care pasionately about freedom. Except when US 'geopolitical' interests suggest otherwise. In which case we dont giving a flying fandango about freedom. Nice.

  • Comment number 9.

    I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE EUROPEAN
    SENTIMENTALISM ABOUT COMMERCIAL
    ANIMAL SKINS !

    THE GOD OF THE BIBLE CLOTHED THE
    FIRST HUMANS IN SKINS, AS IT SEEMS
    THIS GOD DID NOT KNOW OR DECIDED
    NOT TO "WEAVE" CLOTHES FOR THEM !

    WHAT HAPPENS AS IN 1991, WHEN YOU
    BECOME SUCH A PUERILE SENTIMENTALIST
    YOU CAN SWING 180 DEGREES THE OTHER
    WAY AND LIKE HUMAN SKINS AND HUMAN
    MEAT !

    ANIMAL ACTIVISTS SHOULD BE HUMAN
    ACTIVISTS, AS THIS WOULD OCCUPY
    ALL THEIR TIME AND THEY WOULD NOT
    HAVE ANY TIME TO BE ANIMAL ACTIVISTS !

    from: tathers.........!

  • Comment number 10.

    Hi tathers,

    I'm not an animal activist but I just don't understand your argument. Firstly the God and the Bible? Not a good start for any argument (except perhaps theology. And even then we are on shakey ground).

    I don't see anyone "swinging the other way". I think a lot happened in 1991: I don't really get the reference to that year.

    How about we all agree to stop cutting down the rainforest and start from there?

  • Comment number 11.

    Hi ynda20..............................................

    If you do not understand, I write in
    parables, for the well understanding
    understand .................!

    People generally that defend animals,
    and do not like the selling of "furs",
    and pelts, are "puerile sentimentalists".
    And might become to like human skins
    and meat more than animal meat and skins.
    Because what is left, after not using
    animals !

    The reference to that year is a cannibal
    who was caught !

    Eorupeans and English are stopping Seal
    skins sales. That is what I am getting at !

    They are stopping the use of Bear skins
    in their beautiful "tom hats"..............!
    Why, if the God of the Bible clothed humans
    firstly with skins ......! Are not English so
    protestants and catholics ? Why defend
    animals so much instead of commercial
    production of them for their beautiful
    skins ? If their main religions approve
    of this ?

    Do you understand ynda20 ?


    tathers

  • Comment number 12.

    ynda20 wrote:

    "How about we all agree to stop cutting down the rainforest and start from there?"

    As to "rain-forests" there is a big problem
    undoubtedly in imbalance of the ecosystem.

    It is said that fresh water supply is in
    problems because of this. Also nice wood
    is not being replanted !

    What other issues do you have ?

    tathers................!

  • Comment number 13.

    Back to Belarus................!

    First USA would backup Monarchs. Then
    they would backup Dictators. Finally
    they are all for democracy, and realize
    Capitalism does not function without
    regulations, and filling up the empty
    Bank in the common known game of
    "MONOPOLY", because the players
    are not playing by good rules, and there
    are too many players, and the bank
    ran out of money ! ! !

    All under the ideology of, it did not matter
    which kind of Government was in place,
    as long as there was some civility and
    order, and no economic or security problem
    to the USA !

    How long will this be possible, to keep
    World stability, and economic functioning
    of all. Until they get tired of it all ! Or
    bored of it all ! Or somebody does !


  • Comment number 14.

    Belarus.......Bella Russia.....Bella Ussr
    .....Bella-r-US ?!

    As far as I can tell, when you have a
    gun, and you do not use it at all,
    because you are busy doing something else,
    or you use it on animals,or at a
    shooting range, at controlled intervals,
    of once a week or once every 15 days,
    you want to use it for something else !

    Armamentism, could lead to more than
    it has, in barely 60 years since WWII.
    What could happen is WWW. !

    Long live controlled Democracy !
    Just in case some idiot doesn't get voted
    in ! And who know this better than
    those that should and don't !

    tathers..........!

  • Comment number 15.

    Belarus.

    Has anybody considered what is better:

    Countries and cultures that have terrible
    human hunger issues in history !

    Or Countries that are a bit more humane !

    Obama a first generation "Black person"
    from Africa, should first prove what he
    has done for Africa, than what he thinks
    he is going to do for USA!

    East Indians in Canadian parliament and
    government, should prove what they are
    doing for their dying of hunger in India,
    than what they can do for those hungry,
    and destitute and homeless here in Canada !

    tathers..........!

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  • Comment number 17.

    PRESIDENT ELECTIONS USA
    vs. USA political influence in
    the WORLD.

    I am not at "racist" but a Realist.
    To some people their "race" is a
    big issue, and they have been
    affected by it a lot. Others accept
    what and who they are !

    I do not believe in OBAMA for what
    he is as a "dark color" person.
    But for what the history, of "dark"
    people is. NEW YORK's major or
    whatever is a "dark" color person.
    And so far so good !

    What I am trying to get at, is that
    a Presidential Candidate, has to be
    more proven, as to his allegiance, to
    a country or to a "race". And if this
    person feels "inferior" or "superior"
    or "diferent" to his mainly "white"
    subjects or population !

    tathers............!

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  • Comment number 20.

    TATHERS COMMENTS.

    I forgot to mention.
    In CANADA or USA or UK, an immigrant
    politician from a country in "hunger", should
    go and work in "FOOD and CLOTHES BANKS",
    promotion and development !

    Because what does a Immigrant from a country
    with politics in problems want to work in
    politics here, if they did not do it there !?
    Are these immigrants going to prove to us
    that they will govern well here ? And over us ?
    It is hard for me to believe that a immigrant
    will not govern for his interests and his "races" ! Or against his "race" it could be, if he/she
    does not like the "race" they are from !

    Unless this immigrant is well intermingled with the race here ! All complexes might be
    worn off !

    tathers..........!

  • Comment number 21.

    T-HAT-H-ERS comments:

    No USA Army General is going
    to accept OBAMA as Commander !

    tathers...........!

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  • Comment number 24.



    THE OBAMA PHENOMENA, THE BELARUS ONE, AND THE BENIGN "SUPER-POWER" USA continued...[1]

    Diplomacy certainly works ! But do you
    believe there has to be a balance between
    "good" and "evil" ?!

    Are we all going to be advanced Democracy's
    and Parliamentary Democracy's in the World ?
    Will we be sufficiently "adults" for this ?
    Or do we have to keep busy in "power"
    shows, and fights ! Well that seems to have
    brought humans civilizations thus far !

    I suppose it will depend on, who gets to
    have enough power to make things be
    another way !

    Consumerism sure keeps things as they
    are anyway ! And armamentism does too !

    IS THERE ANY REAL OBJECTIVE AS TO REALLY
    FINDING OUT WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING
    HERE ON PLANET EARTH ? WELL BY EVOLUTION WE SURE WILL NEVER DETERMINE SUCH A THING ! ! ! And much
    less as how societies and cultures have
    functioned so far ! ! !


    tathers..........!

  • Comment number 25.




    TATHERS...TATHERS...!

    What is wrong with you tathers ?
    Why do you think so much, and why
    do you like thinking aloud ? Can't
    you just keep it to yourself ?

    Tathers you seem to perceive things
    too much ! Why do you do that for ?
    Is it that you think that others don't
    perceive themselves, as you do ?

    I wish that I could do more than I have
    done so far in life, responded Tathers.
    Others even the very intelligent ones,
    seem to have a one line thought trend.

    You see, life is so short in time, for all
    the things I want to do ! It seems very
    hard for me to achieve very much !
    How do I do something more in life.

    You now Tathers, why would you
    want to do anything more than what
    you have done already ! I mean a
    unique Book that you have written is the omega!

    Well I am working silently now on, my
    ultimate life work, continued on Tathers.
    It is no thing to have started a Mission
    Impossible, and to be slowly fulfilling it !

    I love Chess and all its possibilities and
    game show. And it enthuses me and the
    maths behind it. But I do not play chess
    very well.

    This makes me be enthused at how people
    play in their lives and what they do !
    The maximum game will be when I play too!
    And nobody realizes I have already played.

    Or I am still playing, and think that I have
    stopped playing. What Governments do
    and think they should do, is what
    enthuses me more !

    I love learning to play, different from how
    most people play, avoiding getting into
    any trouble of course ! It is amazing as
    to how people live life...!

    Without deciding to play life's game differently ! Because they can not think
    of doing anything to make life different.
    As the rut occupations of life has fully absorbed them.

    Tathers, someday your work will be fully
    known, and the value of the power of
    your thought, ideas and word.
    Patience as the river flows, will suffice !

    I appreciate what you are saying to me,
    dear friend in these lines of this poem !
    You seems to perceive as I do !
    That makes us two, and two are stronger than one !

  • Comment number 26.



    TATHERS AGAIN......!

    The USA OBAMA phenomena is a phenomena,
    because it is out of the norm, and reality
    of USA !

    Is the reality of USA wrong, yes and only yes,
    if it is a racism issue ! But it is not wrong,
    if the real racist in some form or way, is
    OBAMA. As to be pro-white is only normal
    in a white established country, and thus
    enjoys the progressiveness of such !

    For a mainly white population, in the USA,
    to depend on the "crucial" decisions, a
    "dark coloured" first generation African,
    will be faced to do, is to me a dangerous
    security issue, that might not have been
    thought about yet !

    If OBAMA had a "white wife", trying truly to
    erase the race issue, and not use this to
    cover it up, he would convince me a bit more .

    But to the contrary of the president of
    Venezuela, Chavez, that married a beautiful
    white woman to attract more votes and
    support to his populist government. Has
    been left by this wife, because of "damage"
    to her, or whatever.

    OBAMA has done the contrary, marrying
    a "dark colored" african woman, to
    allegedly prove he is not racist, and
    does not dislike "dark women". Which is
    the other negative reason !

    Am I probably wrong !
    It could be !

    But be it that I am wrong, or not. I fing
    it hard, to my "gut" feelings, that OBAMA
    represents, USA's rights, or interests,
    even if his populism, results in real
    effective measures of benefits to the
    American population !

    It just simply does not "click" right, nor
    walk straight enough in my mind !

    tittat.......!

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  • Comment number 28.

    Tathers!

    You need help my friend!

    May I suggest a strong cup of something!

  • Comment number 29.

    28. At 3:58pm on 26 Oct 2008, zerozero00 wrote:

    Tathers!

    You need help my friend!

    May I suggest a strong cup of something!
    ..................................................................

    ***



    OH....! Hi............zerozero00...?

    Could you be more elaborate, in what kind
    of help you think I need ?

    What strong cup of something could that be?

    You must be an EVOLUTIONISTS, or of
    some RELIGION, in which "open statements"
    are the most common way of being
    reasonable.................!



    tathers(le-thers)..........!

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  • Comment number 31.

    TATHERS-LETHERS



    FINALLY AS TO THE OBAMA
    PHENOMENA, I HAVE DECIDED
    TO NOT LISTEN TO HIM ANYMORE,
    SO I CHANGE TV CHANNELS
    EVERY TIME HE COMES ON.....!

    TO ME THERE IS NOTHING MORE
    TO HEAR..........! HOW HE SPEAKS,
    AND WHAT HE SAYS, REALLY
    THUMPS HARD ON MY SENSE OF
    REASON.................!

    CHEERS,
    GOOD LUCK OBAMA,
    GOOD LUCK USA............!

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  • Comment number 38.

    OBAMA I HAVE A POEM FOR YOU......!

    WHEN THE MOON CAME OUT YOU
    SAW THE STARS MORE BRIGHTLY !

    WHEN A TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE
    OCCURRED, AS A CHILD YOU MIGHT
    HAVE RUN AWAY TO HIDE........!

    WHEN THE MOON GOES FULLY TO
    BED, THEN IT IS WHEN YOU WANT
    TO COME OUT.

    WHEN THE IDEA OF COMMANDING
    A SUPER POWER CAME INTO YOUR
    HEAD.......!

    I DO NOT KNOW WHEN..........!
    AND IF AND WHEN IS WHAT I DO NOT
    KNOW........!

    WHAT AN EMPOWERMENT IT SHOULD
    FEEL TO SEEK THE POWER, THAT
    HAS NEVER BEEN !

    IMAGINE WHAT IT WILL FEEL LIKE
    WHEN THIS POWER YOU SOMETIME
    DREAMED ABOUT, COMES TO BE......!

    NOBODY ADMITS TO HAVE DREAMED
    OF HAVING SUCH POWER,
    OR WILL IT ONLY BE LIMITED TO
    WHOEVER WANTS TO LISTEN TO YOU !

    IT MUST BE THAT THINGS HAVE
    CHANGED AND YOU ARE NOT WHAT
    YOU ARE, NOR ARE THE AMERICANS
    WHAT THEY ARE...........!


  • Comment number 39.




    Belarus
    Obama.


    The Senate could have finished
    forming your real ideology, or
    finished misforming it...!

    How many people of color are
    in the senate...? And what power
    or influence do they have...?

    I am sure you will finish the "work"
    you started of dignifying your
    people...!

    That is if your people really need
    dignifying...!
    I am only a realist, in an unreal World...!

    Do I believe in Human Rights, yes I do...!
    But you might be, way ahead of your
    time, in the way things are for your kind...!

    I do not wish for you, what you do not
    wish for me...! Much less do others really wish to you, anything other than "their" majority rights...!

    SO this makes you, the OBAMA phenomena...!
    That came to be...!
    No matter what, in somebody's mind...!

  • Comment number 40.

    OBAMA.

    It could be that the USA, is playing
    what they really want...!

    They want OBAMA...!
    That could be a way of doing things...!

    Well so the Venezuelans thought,
    with Chavez...!

    Will the OBAMA experiment backfire,
    on USA...!

    Only if they are not prepared for him...!

    le-thers...!

  • Comment number 41.



    Belarus, OBAMA, and the Chinese or
    East Indian Americans.


    So Chinese, do not seem, to be for now
    a PHENOMENA in elections in the USA !
    In contrast with those like OBAMA.

    You see, Chinese and East Indians, have
    copied most technologies, and are now
    in space ! Not that they have not invented !

    It would seem, that those like OBAMA,
    would in no reason, present any problem
    to the USA. These do not have nuclear arms !

    tathers...!

  • Comment number 42.

    Tathers, tithes.

    Some isolated thoughts not compliant in some
    ways, with English composition rules !

    Surely appearances are misleading.

    Verily the proof of the pie is in the eating,
    and of the "pudding" in who eats it.

    My mum never used lipstick other than
    clear stuff for cracked lips from the "cold".

    Some characters from "cartoons" repeat
    themselves in true life, in some ways.

    All I wanted to be was a marine pilot.

    Some people went through "different"
    things, in their upbringing, in those days !

    I sometimes hum to myself this song:
    "follow the leader, leader, leader..."

    I move pretty well in public ridicule.

    The flower is not always a beautiful thing
    to smell, and the fruit of the tree is not
    always sweet. A house needs a "flo(o)r",
    as a cage needs a "bottom".

    The taskmaster at work should not be
    like that.

    Or you outgrow your problems or they
    outgrow you.

    My oh my, I got a bit funny, and smiley
    yesterday. I was impressed by some
    political speech, and the "patronage".

    Well somebody said: sometimes what
    will be, will be, no matter what...!

    Come and dine with me, under all the "din",
    so that your food goes down easier.

    The ears are for hearing, and the nose
    for "smelling".

    Some people learn over time the "ropes"
    of the "task".

    Some are given tasks they were not meant
    for. And some are given tasks that "were
    not".

    The thing I like the most of somebody is
    to notice when they feel at the same level
    as me, or all the variants.

    When things get out of control, we all get
    a bit "nervy". The problem is to realize it
    or not.

    Someone else said, most think you can
    prove directly or indirectly what someone
    is thinking, to some degree, more or less. I say that old things do come out, but not
    always !

    Sometimes I never am clear really what
    a person stands for, they just do not seem
    to see themselves !

    Anyhow have a "windfield"...!

    There are many styles and types of
    "languages".

    Some are war heroes and some are
    social heroes, and some just do not get it !

    Buy pure "gold" so that you do not loose
    your money.

    I feel like I am your same level "playing"
    field. My field of vision is better than his.

    Divided we stand or united we fail ! The
    disjunctive or inclusive and/or exclusive.
    Simple selection and one answer has to
    be the one, or it was redacted wrong.




  • Comment number 43.

    I JUST CAN NOT GET OUT OF MY MIND
    THE USA PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS !


    In Central Florida yesterday, Bill performed
    exceptionally, and Obama is improving !

    Other than that I really have not determined
    what else was obvious, or what was really going on !

    All I can say, some people can be outwitted,
    some play they are being outwitted, and
    some people do not know they are being
    outwitted !

    This way ......., thank-you......., thank-you...!
    All is well, and everything is just going fine,
    as far as I can determine !

    tathers...!

  • Comment number 44.

    BRITISH.

    Well if main European countries,
    governed in less developed
    dependancies, and lets say mainly
    well, as to what most people testate;
    even the chinese had foreign
    government with the British Hong
    Kong. As recently I mean as the
    era of the World stopping from
    being "flat" to round. The British
    and English speaking countries
    sure have been norm as to benign
    forces of the World.

    I mean what can any culture, other
    than English European or English
    America, Australia, Canada, even
    compare themselves to the English
    in this sense.

    This is a fact that might hurt, and so
    I doubt, that Chinese, East Indians,
    Russians, Spanish, etc., are going
    to prove to the World they can be
    better, than the generally "benign"
    English !

    Facts and true ones, are irrefutable !
    No matter what.....!

    tathers...!

  • Comment number 45.

    If AFRICAN AMERICAN MINORITIES OR
    OTHERS...!, think the USA or Britain be
    indebted to them in any way or form,
    it would be none, even using reverse
    history, looking to the future in time !


    tathers...!

  • Comment number 46.



    TAT-HERS.

    I forget from whom has Belarus
    benefited more ? From Russia,
    or from Europe, or the British and
    the USA ?

    From which historic government,
    has Belarus benefited more from ?

    I will have to check that one out !

    tathers...!

  • Comment number 47.

    PRESIDENTS & GOVERNMENTS.


    Between likes and dislikes,
    I have always thought names
    are key issues. But do not be
    mislead by the name of the new
    President of the USA ...!

    Probably, he can use a pseudonym
    like the POPE'S do...! Lets say,
    BARR OBB...! Or a more common
    American name...! Like Barry
    (Oppenheimer) or Barry O'Reilly, or
    even better Barry O'Banjo !

    As to a better name than OBAMA,
    it could be then O'Brian, or O'Bee,
    or O' Bussein...!, or better could be
    BARRY O'Bah.

    Anyway he will be signing in as
    Barack (Balak) H. Obama.

    tathers...!
    the jester...!


  • Comment number 48.




    OBAMA and the Connection with IRAK.


    Saddam Hussein started being president
    of IRAK in 1980...more or less...

    OBAMA was 21 years old...! So OBAMA's
    middle name : HUSSEIN is no coincidence,
    or is it...? Or everybody including
    himself knew about this...!

    Well he sure has all of the IRAK problem,
    on his shoulders now...!

    tathers...!

  • Comment number 49.

    VEHIICLES.


    The 3Big of vehicles of USA,
    are big cash "cows" holes !

    Their bailout, will be eaten
    up as the clouds of locusts,
    in Australia.

    Why, because who is going
    to buy their cars, and who
    is going to fix up the economy,
    hole...?!

    When a big company needs
    a bail-out, the question to
    ask is: who, and when will,
    they or anybody else need
    a bail-out ?!

    You cannot predict the economic
    future...! Well stop betting on
    it...! It is bad enough for individuals
    to be betting on their future,
    if they do not have much to loose !

    Now what does a CEO have to
    loose? Not much...! But most
    everybody else does, in their
    ill mega moth structured CO's.

    A well run company, will sacrifice
    in structure and people, as
    long as to not loose it's fame
    and name...!

    vehiicles...!

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