France fluff their lines (35)
- 8 Sep 07, 07:49 AM
Paris - Ooh la la! Quel cauchemar. France鈥檚 dream of a World Cup victory on home soil has already become the stuff of nightmares.
An evening that began in a mood of joyous celebration and optimism ended in and despair for the host nation.
They fluffed their opening lines in the most infuriatingly French manner possible, but the indefatigable Pumas were the most passionate and predatory of party poopers.
It shouldn鈥檛 have come as such a shock.
Argentina had beaten France in four of their last five meetings, and that sole French victory came by a single point.
But this was certainly the most significant victory in Argentine rugby history, a declaration to the world that, as captain said: 鈥淲e exist鈥.
They had heroes wherever you looked 鈥 the rotund prop Rodrigo Roncero, who barely had the strength to hobble off at the end; the marvellous Mario Ledesma, who returned to the field later with his daughter in his arms, savouring every last moment; the colossal Juan Manuel Leguizamon, who hurled himself at the French with little concern for personal safety.
They reduced the French, playing harum scarum rugby with little control, to a shambles long before the end, in contrast to the vivid choreography of the opening ceremony beforehand.
The space-age Stade de France was a riot of colour, with four blocks of spectators - on either side and at each end 鈥 bedecked in bibs of red, blue, yellow or green.
The spectacle featured 54 drummers banging red metal dustbins, and four squads of 40-odd dancers dressed in what looked like American football-style protective gear, cycling helmets and black-and-white shorts.
They performed their routines to a raucous din that reached a crescendo when a former player from each of the 20 countries bounded into the centre of the pitch.
First there was Pumas legend Hugo Porta, who brought out the match ball. There were extra loud cheers for Keith Wood, Jonah Lomu 鈥 looking particularly natty in a grey suit with tails 鈥 and Gareth Edwards.
But the roar reached a crescendo with the appearance of Jean-Pierre Rives, the firebrand blond flanker of French folklore.
Sadly, his modern-day equivalent, the wonderfully named Remy Martin, could not live up to the legend鈥檚 legacy.
He played a decisive hand in what proved the only try of the game, summing up the ragged nature of France鈥檚 desperate first-half display.
Damien Traille had caught the latest in a series of high bombs from Juan Martin Hernandez, and put Martin into space in a promising attacking position.
A pass over the top to one of the two men outside him would have yielded an overlap, but his rushed attempt went straight to Pumas wing Lucas Borges.
Moments later the rampaging Ignacio Corleto was steaming in at the right corner and Argentina were deservedly 14-3 ahead.
English referee Tony Spreadbury hadn鈥檛 endeared himself to the locals by penalising the French three times in the opening half-hour, and each time the magnificent Felipe Contepomi had punished them.
The qualified doctor had earlier lit up the game with a delightful 鈥榮how and go鈥 manoeuvre before a pass out of the back of hand to Borges of the highest class.
France, by contrast, were a bag of nerves, scrum-half Pierre Mignoni twice fumbling early on, Christophe Dominici throwing out a pass to no-on in particular.
One thrilling counter-attack saw the crowd erupt in appreciation only for the giant wing Aurelien Rougerie to be held up in the right corner.
Intermittent chants of 鈥淎llez les Bleus鈥漝rifted across the stadium, as did a brief attempt at 鈥淟a Marseillaise鈥 with half an hour left, but it failed to lift the players.
Even after a superb driving maul to within inches of the Pumas line and several minutes of hurling themselves at it, the release valve for all that pent-up French frustration stayed shut.
Rougerie went galloping away again before another move broke down, David Skrela missed an easy penalty that might have calmed nerves, and his replacement, the maverick Frederic Michalak, scuffed an absolute sitter with 10 minutes left.
Even the introduction of the prowling Sebastien Chabal failed to unduly trouble the Pumas.
They looked to be tiring badly with 20 minutes left, the effects of their stirring first-half tempo apparently catching up with them.
But they roused themselves again, and four times the admirable Contepomi might have hammered the final nail in the French coffin.
First, after a rare Pumas break-out, he dropped Corleto鈥檚 pass when a clinching try beckoned. Then he missed a drop-goal attempt. Then two more penalties in the final three minutes, each time granting the hosts another stay of execution.
But Spreadbury blew his whistle for the final time, and the guillotine fell on France.
No team has ever won the World Cup having lost a pool game. And one doubts whether the hosts can fully recover from such a devastating blow to their self-esteem.
Bryn Palmer is the 91热爆 Sport website鈥檚 rugby union editor.
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Jaysus, Mary & Laporte with a flock of lambs in Stade Francaise they played like a rabbit caught in a headlamp. Fair play Argentina, that was a well deserved win. Looking forward to the French clash with Ireland, I hope the Irish can slaughter the rabbit.
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Argentina came with a game plan and executed it to perfection, while France were a bag of nerves and failed to get into even first gear. Argentina always play with passion and it showed as they disrupted a seriously nervous France side that failed in almost every department. They will do well to recover from this.
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Jaysus, Mary & Laporte with a flock of lambs in Stade Francaise they played like a rabbit caught in a headlamp. Fair play Argentina, that was a well deserved win. Looking forward to the French clash with Ireland, I hope the Irish can slaughter the rabbit.
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Am I alone in thinking that France did not 'fluff their lines' and that the Pumas did that for them. Rather than being allowed to settle on the ball, the pumas disrupted, stalled, battered and undermined France's confidence all through the game.
For one, I'm not surprised at all - the pumas have been consistently taking scalps well above their so-called place in the rugby pecking order for some years now. Their relative isolation from world rugby is no longer acceptable - I for one would love to see them play in the Northern Hemisphere championships, their brand of rubgy is skillfull, agressive and passionate. I thought that's what we rugby fans turned out to watch....
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France - no passion, no communication, not fit enough, terrible support play and not smart enough to respond to the relentless, driven, team belief displayed by the brilliant Argentina. The French looked like England at their worst last year.
What a great way to start the competition - more please.
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A great result for Argentina, but should the Irish be more worried now? I don't think so. Argentina rarely threatened the French line; they kept it tight with the Garryowens, were poor in the lineout, dreadful at the scrum, and didn't score for the last 45 minutes of the games.
Their mauling and defence won this game. Can they play to that level again? How many of their players were suffering from cramp towards the end of the game? France lacked creativity and were terrible under the high ball. Both areas were Ireland are much stronger.
Argentine will need to come up with a different game plan against Ireland. This gives the men in green a chance to avoid New Zealand in the quarters, and get quick revenge over the Scots.... then South Africa perhaps... they can be beaten... then the final... beating the All Blacks... that's a dream too far.
Big scores against Namibia and Georgia could make the difference in this group.
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I have to say, Argentina thoroughly deserved their win, purely for their ability to frustrate France's front line. They didn't score enough, but with the defence as rock solid as it was they didn't need to. Even when France pushed right up to the tryline in the second half it didn't look as if they could get across it. Congrats to the Argies and commiserations to the Frenchies.
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Argentina came with a game plan and executed it to perfection, while France were a bag of nerves and failed to get into even first gear. Argentina always play with passion and it showed as they disrupted a seriously nervous France side that failed in almost every department. They will do well to recover from this.
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Silko, no way is that a dream too far. If Ireland can get it together, like they did against England at Croke Park, anything is possible. A thumping score against Namibia tomorrow would be a good start.
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A number of reports suggest this was a shock or stunning win. Why? Argentina have had the better of France over the previous 5 games. Maybe the Tri-nations will not look to internal greed and look towards the wider development of the game now. Well done the Argies!
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Fantastic!! Not pretty but what a great game to kick off the cup. Argentina were magnificant, mind over matter, I do hope teams like England take note, take on your opposite number and make it personnal. Ireland have got there work cut out now. Lets see someone get stuck into the AB's in the same manner, its hard to play with someone in your face all afternoon.
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Why can't the genuine fans get to these matches?
I wanted to take my two keen rugby playing lads to the England v USA game in Lens tonight. I tried to book months ago but all the tickets were sold out. But I could go online and find dozens of Web sites and listings offering tickets at a huge premiums.
This week I was offered tickets to the England SA game in Paris. My colleague had beend offered up to 20 tickets for FREE by someone working for the one of corporate sponsors. Apparently they had 100's of tickets to give away.
Time someone exposed this ticket racket that prevents genuine fans getting to matches.
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A great result for Argentina, but should the Irish be more worried now? I don't think so. Argentina rarely threatened the French line; they kept it tight with the Garryowens, were poor in the lineout, dreadful at the scrum, and didn't score for the last 45 minutes of the games.
Their mauling and defence won this game. Can they play to that level again? How many of their players were suffering from cramp towards the end of the game? France lacked creativity and were terrible under the high ball. Both areas were Ireland are much stronger.
Argentine will need to come up with a different game plan against Ireland. This gives the men in green a chance to avoid New Zealand in the quarters, and get quick revenge over the Scots.... then South Africa perhaps... they can be beaten... then the final... beating the All Blacks... that's a dream too far.
Big scores against Namibia and Georgia could make the difference in this group.
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Isn't Pichot an awesome captain?!
"I think we exist"
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The way he had his front-rowers squeezing their last drips of energy out in the last few minutes (without conceding penalties).
Plus
That incredible post-match sermon to his team in their huddle.
Plus
a GREAT player!
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Why can't the genuine fans get to these matches?
I wanted to take my two keen rugby playing lads to the England v USA game in Lens tonight. I tried to book months ago but all the tickets were sold out. But I could go online and find dozens of Web sites and listings offering tickets at a huge premiums.
This week I was offered tickets to the England SA game in Paris. My colleague had beend offered up to 20 tickets for FREE by someone working for the one of corporate sponsors. Apparently they had 100's of tickets to give away.
Time someone exposed this ticket racket that prevents genuine fans getting to matches.
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Argentina were fearless and loose like hyaenas feeding off the lion's kill. They swamped the french game up on the line to close down the beautiful game. But most of all they were cunning, (heal slaps proved vital at times) but they made the french play their game: chaotic and opportunistic. Was the french defense tested? not really, it never needed to be, the big question for me is can the hyaenas play without lions? only time will tell.
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Isn't Pichot an awesome captain?!
"I think we exist"
Plus
The way he had his front-rowers squeezing their last drips of energy out in the last few minutes (without conceding penalties).
Plus
That incredible post-match sermon to his team in their huddle.
Plus
a GREAT player!
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Just think if every team played with the heart of argentina what a world cup it would be i was so plaesd for them truley awesomme performance luke cornwall
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Actually, i was disappointed with Pichot. He constantly badgered and try to influence the ref who was mediocre to say the least - Pichot even asked the linesman to hand out a yellow card to a frenchman. Pichot - they may do that in football mate not in rugby- shut your mouth and play the game!
Another issue - teams that play this still of negative disruptive rugby invariably are offside- how many times did the ref call them to book for this - zero! check the position of the argentinian backs when the bombs were sent up. The linesmen should be picking up on these offences.
Frankly, I sincerely hope that teams that play this style of rugby do not advance at the cost of expansive stylish teams like France - it would be really bad for the tournament.
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A great and deserved win for Argentina. Having watched them improve for the past 30 years the greatest change has been their discipline. Both team discipline and individual, self-discipline.
Argentine teams of old would take the field ready to rumble; this team plays efficient, physical rugby that can frustrate and wear down any opposition - and win games.
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Actually, i was disappointed with Pichot. He constantly badgered and try to influence the ref who was mediocre to say the least - Pichot even asked the linesman to hand out a yellow card to a frenchman. Pichot - they may do that in football mate not in rugby- shut your mouth and play the game!
Another issue - teams that play this still of negative disruptive rugby invariably are offside- how many times did the ref call them to book for this - zero! check the position of the argentinian backs when the bombs were sent up. The linesmen should be picking up on these offences.
Frankly, I sincerely hope that teams that play this style of rugby do not advance at the cost of expansive stylish teams like France - it would be really bad for the tournament.
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Could be good for Ireland if the Argentinians have tired near the end of the match. They will be knackered by the time the Irish play them. The French could either continue to be afraid, or give up the ghost at the that stage.....all in all a good day for the Irish if they do not mess it up themselves.
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Now Ireland v. Argentina on the 30th takes on a whole new significance...methinks the Irish backline won't be quite as abject as the French, and the packs might just move the earth when they collide
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I have never seen a team so inspired and pumped up during their country's national anthem as the Argentine team. While tightly huddled together the line was far from straight, each player too-ing and fro-ing uncontrollably, tears down their faces, panting and gasping in a fantastic psyched-up display of passion. They knew that today was going to be their country's biggest day in rugby history - it definitely was. The French team and their display whilst their anthem was being played was completely subdued in comparison. However, never write them off, ever. More games are still to be played!
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well eugene,
i guess the pumas didnt read the script beforehand and lie down and surrender to the mighty"les bleus"!!
how very unsporting of them!! as for the "expansive" game- where was it??
You need to have players who stand up and be counted, flair is not the b all of rugby, watched the all blacks today. If you want to see "expansive" rugby watch the true masters!!! and English referees?? Wot excuse against the greens you gonna use??
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one thing is certain, a good team will end up third in this group. I just hope it wont be Ireland.
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"I for one would love to see them play in the Northern Hemisphere championships"
a number of practical problems though. although being a southern hemisphere nation can be resolved by them playing in Spain or southern france in the '7 nations', extending the competition by another week will further annoy club teams giving up their players for ever lengthening periods of time. Why not join the southern hemisphere competition, where they still only have 3 nations competing!
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I agreee with David (No.12) we would love to be at the Eng vs SA game on Friday, but the web ticket price was more expensive than an air ticket SA to Par and return. It is shameful on the IRB, us motrals who support rugby year in and year out are deprived of our sport. Commercial clients who know bugger all about the game get to see it behind a G&T. Come on lets have fair play
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"I have never seen a team so inspired and pumped up during their country's national anthem as the Argentine team"
Michael - Did you not witness the 6N and the Irish team during the anthems at Croke Park particularly against England?
As for Pichot, I completely agree with Eugene, this guy's behaviour and actions were more John Terry like than that which I would expect from a good rugby captain! Doing what you can to win I'm all for it, however trying to influence referees and linesmen and trying to get people sent to the bin - that麓s cheating! I wonder if he could actually get yellow carded himself for his constant badgered and trying to get the linesman to hand out yellow cards. Horrible and completely lacking in any degree of sportsmanship!
I wouldn't be surprised if a certain red haired individual picked up on his antics and considered perhaps putting the "fear of god" into him when they meet Ireland? Now that I'd love to see...
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For once don't belittle Argentina ! They played a great game against the 15 France squad and their 80000 odd cheering fans. Ok ?
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This was probably the start that France knew all along could happen, but they never dreamed would happen.
Argentina played with more hunger and passion today than the seemingly indifferent French. They simply wanted it more. Rarely do you see a team who have thrown themselves into a game so hard and fast that they barely have the energy for a celebration at the end.
It is widely commented that with the French team you never can tell which one will turn up - be it the one akin to Commissaire Maigret or Inspector Clouseau. Today it was undoubtably Inspector Clouseau clomping around the pitch and causing chaos.
This group hasn't been called group "D for death" for nothing. I really wouldn't like to call the order of the top three - I can only hope that Ireland will be at the top of the mix - roll on the rest of the matches!
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Heres to hoping Ireland and Argentina progress and leave Franch behind. Nothing personal but a major upset like that would make for a very interesting tournament. Agreed the refereeing was dodgy but both teams had decisions that never were.
Can I just say to the Irish fans not to be over-confident of beating Argentina - they're no walkovers anymore and did come within a single point of beating Ireland in 2003. Don't get me wrong I hope you progress but just be vigilant that they are a team who will exploit their opponents sloppyness - as we saw against France.
Congrats Argentina!
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To Chris (No32)
I don't think we are too over confident, as they beat us in Lens in 1999, we just about them in 2003, they beat us twice in the summer, they are no longer the push over they once (along time ago)were.
As for Pichot maybe he was trying to translate that wonderful French rugby player Ren茅 Descartes quote "I think, therefore I am." He had another quote (Descartes) "I am French, therefore I will not win the World Cup" but not many people know that one!
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Since Argentina's win Ireland's odds have now changed, paradoxically we have less chance of getting out of pool but more chance of making SF.
I reckon we have a 35% chance of been knocked out at pool stage, 25% at QF
30% in SF, 6% in F, 4% chance of winning.
If we beat France we are through but can still lose to France and top pool, provided we lose by less than 7 pts and do not concede 4 tries.
To top pool we need 16pts minimum and to beat Argentina. 14 pts is not enough to get out of pool. 15 pts might mean countback on pts tries etc.
Contepomi's late misses were unhelpful to Ireland's (and Argentina's) cause and France's BP could be crucial
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Maradona was also playing??
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