Re-imagining Remembrance
The from the religion and society think-tank Ekklesia is getting massive . , Ekklesia's co-director, will be on tomorrow's Sunday Sequence to discuss the report's findings and recommendations. You can .
Here's the abstract: "Remembrance Day needs to be re-imagined to make it more inclusive, more truthful and more meaningful for future generations, says this report. This would include an honest acknowledgement that some did "die in vain", an end to "selective remembrance", a positive stress on peacemaking, and making Armistice Day a bank holiday. The report follows the death of the 'last Tommy', Harry Patch from World War 1, who sadly described current patterns of Remembrance Day as "just show business". Remembrance has been 'cheapened' by a failure to back up words with action, particularly when it comes to successive Government's care for war veterans, but also the lack of resources put into peacebuilding. The report traces the development of Britain's remembrance tradition and makes a series of proposals about how Remembrance Day might be updated and made more accessible. It also includes reflection on the meaning and practice of 'memory', not least from a Christian theological standpoint."
Also taking part in our discussion, which begins shortly after 9am on 91Èȱ¬ Radio Ulster, is the philosopher . Alan is an expert on political philosophy; his textbook (Routledge 2004) is now used in many courses. Tomorrow, we'll ask him to talk about John Stuart Mill's essay . Mill's essay was published in November 1859, so this is an opportunity to mark that significant anniversary (which shares with Darwin's On the Origin of Species) and also to examine Mill's contribution to our understanding of freedom. Alan wrote for , which was recently sent to all MPs and peers.
We will try to examine the relationship between "remembrance" and "freedom", and explore how various understandings of liberty were, and are, implicated in debates about war and conflict.
's biographer, Peter Parker, also joins me tomorrow to talk about his new book. .
Comment number 1.
At 7th Nov 2009, Tom Fairhurst wrote:Americanisation - Bah Humbug! After years of watching the Last Night of the Proms, I have given up because of Americanisation - the occasion just isn't what it was. Now, we have a presenter of the Service of Remembrance who can't even pronounce "Lieutenant" - he seems to think our service personnel have joined the American Forces even more directly than they have in reality. Coca-colonisation by the Colonists! Sorry, but it just jars my nerves every time he mispronounces "Lieutenant". Can't the 91Èȱ¬ afford to update its pronunciation handbook, or let him have a copy of the relevant bit?
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Comment number 2.
At 8th Nov 2009, Richard wrote:Remembrance Day should be for those who sacrificed their lives in the 1st & 2nd World Wars (& a 3rd World War if there is going to be one - God forbid)(if we are still here to commemorate it).
For such a day to be 'hijacked' to include other wars (especially those not declared) is obscene - especially the 'War on Terror" manufactured by the "International Community" (ie the US)(seen by most as a "rogue state")
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Comment number 3.
At 8th Nov 2009, Scotch Get wrote:#2
I don't know why is significant but these folk obviously agree with your opening sentence.
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Comment number 4.
At 8th Nov 2009, R W McAuley wrote:Try writing in the same Brownian space-time.
Each time I feel the same unctuous sensation
Curving words with you curled on my shoulder.
Ready to repeat my broken dream back again.
But why, this is Illyria, Like Einstein I travelled
In a straight line, even with acceleration to get here.
Only inside I feel static; like listening to a speech
About working families and prosperity
And democracy and absolutely no
Deals over and over
Again.
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Comment number 5.
At 8th Nov 2009, Phil wrote:I listened to Mark Whitaker's "Poppies are Red, Cornflowers are Blue". A great insight into how the poppy came to represent remembrance day.
I visited Nice last year and was moved by the influential scale and the serious gravity of the La Ville de Nice a Ses Fils Morts Pour la France.
To this I dedicated a blog... which is really a dedica to all who were lost in the great wars.
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Comment number 6.
At 9th Nov 2009, Parrhasios wrote:Ekklesia's report is a comprehensive review of the history, theory, and practice of remembrance and demands serious consideration, especially, I venture to suggest, in Northern Ireland.Ìý
I write here as a convinced absolutist pacifist from a family with generations of military service so it is not surprising perhaps that I have the most mixed feelings about remembrance. I am afraid I can never bring myself to wear a poppy of any hue.
I have nonetheless the most intense compassion for those young men and women, many of them probably from areas of social, economic, and educational disadvantage, who risk their lives and face hardship and danger daily for a cause they almost certainly do not understand.Ìý
When one reads the letters and poems written home by some of the fallen one is forced to concede, against the grain, that there is something potentially ennobling about the experience of such extreme adversity, something which awakens sensibilities not likely to be found in their contemporaries who have not faced the same challenges.Ìý
War is the greatest of evils but, as well as bringing out the worst in mankind, it also somehow brings out the best. While it is essential to ensure the horrors are understood we should not fail to honour the courage and bravery of those ordinary guys who face fear and overcome it, whose deeds are in some way glorious, who even, in some cases, do make present again the self-sacrifice of Christ.
In an age of selfishness, individualism, and cynicism ordinary soldiers remind us of community, service and even a certain plain decency. For me the most memorable and perhaps important words of the day were those of the seriously injured Michael Stoker when he said that he wanted to face the horrors of the battlefield again for his mates. There is, sorry Ekklesia, a Biblical quotation which springs to mind.
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Comment number 7.
At 9th Nov 2009, romejellybean wrote:I never attended a Remembrance Sunday, nor wore a poppy, and when I prayed for the fallen (all of them) I always included a prayer that our rememberance would include a real committment to never allow what happened to these poor men and women to happen to anyone ever again.
Recently while working on a transatlantic ship, I had a quiet chat on the deck with the captain. The conversation turned to the wars. It was a calm sunny day and I commented that it must have been terrible for these young soldiers when the weather was rough.
He smiled at my ignorance then told me that actually the young men prayed for stormy weather, it was more difficult for the U-boats to find them in a force 10.
An inkling of the horror and of the bravery hit home, probably for the first time. I thought of the thousands who died at sea.
I had two or three hundred consecrated hosts in my cabin. That night, when the restaurants, bars and night clubs were full, I went back out into the stillness and quietness and darkness, and cast the breads into the sea.
(I told the folk at church later in the week that I had not brought enough breads with me.)
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Comment number 8.
At 9th Nov 2009, Parrhasios wrote:RJB - a wonderful story full of the compassion I would now expect. How strange though that you relate it - you could have had absolutely no idea of just how much it would mean to me...
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Comment number 9.
At 9th Nov 2009, romejellybean wrote:Parr
Weird eh?
Obviously I dont know what it means to you, and actually my mind was on other things last night so I cant even think of why I related it.
I cant even get on a P&0 ferry now without thinking of those young men and women and what they suffered.
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Comment number 10.
At 13th Nov 2009, mccamleyc wrote:Smithy - are you the Cruise Line Rent-a-Priest?
You just dumped the Blessed Sacrament into the ocean. You're a totally crazy dude.
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