91热爆

I am not sure what the GM-FSA item is about but ... its not impossible that GM may in the long run prove to have some value. It is true that a lot of the criticism of GM is based on myth.

But it is surely an intrinsic right for people to be able to eat what they choose and if they choose not to eat GM, and I don't, then nobody should be allowed to force them by permitting products not to show they have GM ingredients. There is no obvious benefit to the public to eat GM and if there is even the hint of a problem why do it? Its also true that the products selected for GM tend to be the staples rice, wheat, soya and so on.

So if there are any problems associated with the food it would take a very long time to prove the cause and it would affect a lot of people.

I gather that a lot of maize, tomatoes and peppers and so on from the US gets mixed in with non GM food and does not get identified.

That's wrong.

Such events are a product of a broken psychy in an individual. They are not born broken, mostly the potential for such acts is repressed by environmental (social) factors, when those are eroded the potential for the psychy to break increases. Simple as.

The expected increased frequency of such attacks (as has been seen dramatically in China) will simply be as function of increased pressure in general and a lack of a tangible alternative or outlet ... no job security, no pension (to speak of) no spiritual guidance, no broader sense of genuine community and comaradery (he always said 'hello, how are you' to neighbours in the street does not count I am afraid).

Not everyone has the capacity for what 'birdy' has done, there will be personality factors and access to arms factors at play also but note much of the attacks in China were with knives..on children...). In this country access to arms is much easier in rural communities with farming links, not in big cities.

To be fair it could go one of two ways, as the heat gets turned up via the 'austerity' measures coming down the pipe at us, a new vision could form leading to a new sense of belonging, community and comaradery in the Uk which would reduce the frequency of such attacks, or even their very existence. If that does not emerge then you will see more 'attacks on society' like this.

His acts are 'evil' but I doubt he himself could be considered 'evil' no more so than a broken washing machine could be considered to be so.

It is simply a tradgedy.


As for the Brazillian middle classes, they are the luckiest people on earth i would say living in a big lush country with a rich culture, relatively low population, huge resources, increasingly functional welfare state and governance and also a great sense of fun, warm hearted and with a growing sense of global responsibility also.

Of course it has its problems, some of them whoppers, but in the round, it is the place to be if you are fortunate enough and imaginative enough to be able to make that choice and increasingly they are working through those problems, which helps build a sense of nationhood and vision.

I love Brazil.

On the Brazilian middle classes I assume the idea that is with an aspiring middle class you create a momentum to create a bigger wealth cake to cut up and power is not so heavily concentrated with the rich that there is much dispute about the need to cut up that cake fairly.

But whilst you wish Brazil well its obvious that with so much poverty when confidence in the long run process diminishes from time to time or there is a severe short term crisis there is a lot of social tension and demand stored up that could become very problematic.

But perhaps Brazil is a new model for us where the pragmatic choices to grow the economy and harness its product for the good of all replaces the doctrinaire socialism with all of its ivory tower unreality.

I am probably suggesting a cul de sac but on the terrible Cumbrian shootings is the age of the shooter of interest?

Obviously my sympathies to the whole area and those that suffered such senseless losses.

Micahel Ryan was not old and many of the gun rampages in the world seem to be done by teenagers.

The US guy that tried to fly his plane into an IRS office was obviously older and I have heard of people who go nuts at work in the US who must also be older.

But if Bird was fifty two you would have thought that his behaviour was pretty ingrained and a family dispute would not incite such a terrible response.

It is also troubling that he apparently said there would be a rampage and so clearly was coldly planning and not running on an aberrant impulse that ricoched him into more and more violence.

On the Gulf oil spill there seems to be a growing row over whether the oil is predominantly on the surface or whether there are large plumes of the waxy unrefined crude below the surface with long term health and environmental implications.

It baffles me that there should still be a debate after so many weeks and where there is clearly plenty of money and will to stop the flow and get the evidence.

Would we in the UK - or South Atlantic where we are prospecting - be able to detect such plumes and how far could these plumes travel?

Also as a last attempt to stop the flow if all else fail could they not drill some shallow holes on either side of the leak and then put large shaped charges in there to bury the leak under hundreds of tons of rubble? It would not stop the leak for long but if they will have the relief wells in place in a couple of months it only needs to be a stop gap.

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#59

Very well put, Brightyangthing. I trust we could be REAL FRIENDS, or perhaps already are.
Support whenever needed, rebuke when necessary, agreement on divergencies, after all we do have quite different backgrounds, experiences and 'make ups', never any deliberate nastiness and mutual guidance on the personal, self fulfillment and 'wordly' levels.

The sun here is again offering us its full potential eased pleasantly by tender breeze.

Looking forward to more of your posts.

mim

Interesting article in today's Mirror By Dr Jackie Craissati, Consultant Criminal Psychologist on what made Derrick Bird kill.

Source:

Keith Ashcroft: A simmering anger fuelled by low self-esteem and paranoia

on GM... huge apologies, but here are some more links:

6. At 1:05pm on 03 Jun 2010, ecolizzy wrote:

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Are you proposing that we need a few more Derrick Birds then?

on bird, have any of you seen the documentary "Michael Tsarion - Architects of Control"?

not saying that is what happened here, but its very synchronous. I'm sure we all offer sincere condolences to the families and friends of the victims. And hope that no knee-jerk reaction panic legislation comes out of this.

hate to admit it, but both hangue and may's public pronouncements have been of a higher quality that nuLabour's wonks. To have millipede-wonk blaring about "Israel's security needs" would have been vastly worse than Hague's measured criticism of Israel - what will be interesting will be to see how deep that criticism goes. Will the Tory Govt prevent military parts being sent to Israel?

Israel prevents building materials going to repair a vastly overcrowded ghetto they attack at will, surely the least the UK could do is stop *arming* this rogue regional-superpower?

we are watching.

#10: the bit about guns - michael moore's documentary "bowling for columbine" makes a different point, although he would agree about the paranoia and fear aspects.

have to wonder with this guy, why didn't he take his rage into a gym, or even buy an xbox and a 1st person shoot-em-up? Or paint-balling?

it seems to me to be a tragic coalescence of many factors, none of which could be prevented or legislated against. "It just happened" is hardly compensation for those who lost loved ones, but sometimes that is the only answer. No doubt many pop-psychologists will all pop their heads up to utter complete bilge in pseudo-scientific terms for a wad of cash from idea-less mainstream media outlets, equally no doubt all they will do is add to the confusion, and up the likelihood of [GAIA Forbid!] a copycat event.

i have only watched the 91热爆's reporting on this, but listening to that local MPs words last night, made it clear the large networks are regarding this as a means to increase headlines - and profits. They have no respect for the dead, nor the viewers.

#12 HHmmmm DebtJuggler I don't think I'd joke about mental illness, it's very prevalant here.

64. At 3:13pm on 03 Jun 2010, gnuneo wrote:
#52: yet according to NN net working-immigration from non-EU countries last year was MINUS 8000!

i tend to trust *their* figures.

So Gnu you are arguing with the Office of National Statistics figures then?

on the ongoing Renata case, the authorities are attempting to claim she has "mental health problems", there is now a petition to sign to protest against the way she is being treated.

#16 i would be interested to see them analysed by NN. BTW, if the Tory/nuLabour Govt had not closed the UK nurse/doctor training colleges down, we wouldn't *need* to have so many coming in!

there is little point in blaming the immigrants, who are only seeking higher pay for their work, when it is the corruption and incompetence at the top of the UK that has largely caused the problems we face.

as NN reported, cutting non-EU immigration will affect many areas of the NHS very hard indeed, leading to inevitable shortages of nurses and doctors. Yes, it would have been far better to invest in training our own, and that should certainly be the direction we should head for (again), but we have to look at the problem *now*.

the issue is largely not "immigration", it is incompetence and corruption in the UK's political class. That will take to mend, and knee-jerk 'putting caps on immigration' will exacerbate the problems we are currently facing in skills shortages across the UK.

but - doing 'something' is better than doing 'nothing', right?? We have more EU people leaving the UK than coming in - that might seem a 'victory' to you, but to me that is indicative that the UK is so obviously going into a nose-dive, that we are no longer attractive even to job-seekers from Eastern Europe!

we are in a mess.

#17: sorry, the previously posted background info on that case:

Ha,ha, Gnu you do look at everything with your rose tinted specs on! ; )

Of course I don't blame the immigrants, most of my local drs are. The supermarket was packed to the rafters with the new intake of eastern europeans yesterday, here to pick the strawberry crop. With local unemployment at over a thousand. I do hope IDS sorts out this sitting on benefits problem, although I never thought much of him before.

I thought Blair said in 1997 he was going to increase the training of drs and nurses, I suppose it never happened. But I do know a large number of nurses who left training couldn't get jobs here, one even a midwife who went to Ireland. But is now back here, up to her neck in babies here now that our birthrate has rocketed.

I've nothing against anyone from any country, I've said that a thousand times here. BUT there is going to be a problem with our infrastructure that no ones seems to worry about, perhaps it's a case of "I'm alright Jack"! Luckily for me I'm old it will never be a major problem for me, but it will for anyone under 40 who'll be fighting over resources and homes and jobs here. Wait 'til it hits the chattering classes and their comfortable lives and threatens their jobs, then you'll see a different angle reported.

You are right it is all of the governments making, we signed up to everything the EU wanted, so now can't make our own decisions. The problem is not the immigrants as individuals, it's just too many people living here. Do you have a figure in mind that you would consider too many? Or do you think a hundred million would be just fine? Is your local big town going to double in size by a hundred thousand people in the next fifteen years?

What no Alastair Campbell?

:o) Jeremy does it again!

"Jeremy Paxman, always one to identify and target a weakness, recently implied that Cable had jettisoned his position on delaying cuts purely to win power."

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#15

Ecolizzy

Wouldn't you agree that DebtJugler & gnu may be amongst their ranks?

#22

Mistress76uk

My own impression about Cable was that he was a left winger after he talked about nationalising the Rocky Bank though he did as well talk about the importance of reducing the national debt, even if at different speeds than Cameron. However, I do think that Nick Clegg ibas always been for democratically controlled free Market economy. I wonder whether it's his advocacy of civil liberties that made him join the LibDems rather than the Tories?

mim

#22: from your link:

"鈥淎nd of course that means making this country a good place to do business. Where it鈥檚 easy to start a business or invest from abroad. Where regulation is proportionate (and there is less of it than now.) Where starting an enterprise or creating a job 鈥� even just one job 鈥� is genuinely valued by society.鈥�"

once again all that sounds good - but what will it mean on the ground? What is the priority here?

is it to cut corporation taxes even more, to make the UK more attractive to foreign multinationals to come here and destroy what little home economy we have left (whilst the multi-nats pay ever less tax!!), or will it be to put Govt money available to a 'Grameen Bank' style organisation to inspire and support new cooperatives, to rebuild the UK home economy instead of being a 3rd world bankrupt failure?

will he cut taxes on tescos, instead of promoting healthy infinity foods? Will this just be a rerun of nuLabour's 'Third Way' politics, where the "Left-wing got words, and the Right-Wing got actions"? Or are we to believe that the party that brought in neo-liberalism, that is still stuffed with monetarists, that wants to "cut" so deeply it will DESTROY the UK's civil society - that this Party has suddenly realised that a healthy economy is based upon small to medium companies, best organised as modern partnerships/cooperatives to give the shocking Wealth Gap?

well, we can certainly hope. And watch.

#23: dear mim, dear dear sweet mim, wouldn't you agree that Life would be a lot more boring without a little touch of 'madness'??

;) xxx

#25: and ALSO recongise that there IS a role for Govt in the Economy beyond taking taxes - the Govt CAN put financial and other resources to help individuals start or maintain their companies.

this may go against every Tory precept, but "economic growth" comes from Govt sponsoring and supporting small - medium cooperatives, rather than cutting taxes on multi-nationals.

#26

no, gnu, your type of madness is not only in fact boring but also tedious beyond belief

if not for interesting, kind and truly intelligent people I meet, or have met, in real life or am in touch with, I would have died of boredom ages ago

I remember Saturdays, for example, when I was so unmotivated that I would keep going back to bed all day while now, having responsive friends and acquaintances I keep running out time even if I don't go to work as such but you must realise that I'm doing all I possibly can, my own way, goes without saying, on a kind of voluntary basis to help the country and international communication get back on their feet, and hopefully even help move things into new, healthy, dimensions.

M

#20:

"Luckily for me I'm old it will never be a major problem for me, but it will for anyone under 40 who'll be fighting over resources and homes and jobs here. Wait 'til it hits the chattering classes and their comfortable lives and threatens their jobs, then you'll see a different angle reported."

indeed. And as it occurred to you, do you not think it has occurred to the brain-boxes in the corporations, Govt, and general Elite? What would be the likely result of that change in reporting, and the change in standard of living in the middle classes due even to these proposed "cuts"?

it will be open scape-goating in practise.

"You are right it is all of the governments making, we signed up to everything the EU wanted, so now can't make our own decisions."

little to do with the EU, the UK has been part of all the negotiations, and agreed to whatever we signed up to. There is much that we didn't sign up to, like the full Social Chapter. You can take it as read that all the major EU policies that the UK has adopted has had widespread agreement amongst the UK Elite. The EU has some terrible centralist and anti-democratic elements, but so has the UK, both Central Govt and also Whitehall. They BOTH need reform, from below.

"Do you have a figure in mind that you would consider too many? Or do you think a hundred million would be just fine?"

bearing in mind that most who come from outside the EU came from countries with far nicer weather than we do (the last week notwithstanding as a general rule! ;) ), if all else was equal why would so many come here? The Culture? Those people are either just travelling through, and want to experience British Culture directly for a short while on a working holiday, or else love it here and want to apply for Citizenship.

or because living standards are higher here, because of higher wages? Again, the best method of reducing economic migrants (if the worry is that the UK is overpopulated), is to increase the living standards of the home countries. For instance, having cooperatives and FairTrade in both Poland and the UK, cutting out the corporate middleman, would reduce the economic gap between the two countries, as well as raising incomes in both Polish and the UK workforces.

i think there IS a natural limit to how popular a destination country/culture might be, and given economic *progress* and growth across the World, despite how much i love my Country, i doubt we would ever get near 100M. :)

#28: perhaps i agree on that.

The minister on your program has just said that international aid is being used to eradicate smallpox around the world. What?!?! Smallpox was eradicated decades ago. It looks like nothing has changed with the new government, we're still being lied to by our politicians who are trying to make out that they're doing a terrific job.

Interesting discussion between Kirsty and the new UK DfID Secretary Andrew Mitchell MP on transparency and an independent aid watchdog.

I hope Newsnight will continue to monitor progress in this area as
'fine words butter no parnsips' and UK DfID and The British Council
have many questions to answer about their lack of support and indeed
smearing of 'whistleblowers' reporting irregularities from the field.

One of the worst cases was the treatment of Howard Horsley whose case
was aired in Parliament but ran into the brick wall of offical denial:







And 'Nutty Neil' (as I was described in internal British Council memoes obtained under the DPA and FOI when I blew the whistle on a BC/UK DfID
public administration reform project in Gaza described as 'nonexistent')
is still demanding straight answers from British Council/DfID for this
curious little British cover-up:



'The West at its worst' as Dr Johnson says.

from serial killer to suicide attacker ?

what makes them do it ?

a grievance - surely not ?

On the shootings be interesting to know the relationship Mr Bird had with his doctor.

That I was moved to spend my morning in blissful silence having surfed the useless witterings of an MSM now hopelessly addicted to the content demands of 24/7 'news', and found every channel wanting, speaks volumes.

All splendidly summarised by this:

'Tonight we have an exclusive insight into what might have..'

So, not a fact in sight, but opinion and emotion aplenty that serves little bar excuses for too many overpaid talking heads to have something to fill screen time with.

A time to watch - 'when the naysayers embrace gold'


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The sun streams into my room, have to control it when doing a painting:-



but its lovely during summer.

They should make some kind of window back projection for those Mars trips maybe may help with annunciation.

Jeremy never ceases to impress!
Now his oratory skills will be studied by children as part of their GCSE English starting this September :o)

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GM

the establishment are keen on locking the population into both carbon tax [a tax on air you breathe] and gm [food you eat].
i post the usual gm link that shows gm is about privatising the food chain. sort of like the old land enclosures.



both gm and carbon tax are two heads of the same monster.

I hear the Bilderbergs are meeting in Spain, just outside Barcelona. Usual venue; an out-of-the-way hotel on top of a hill so they can look down upon the great unwashed. Blacked out limos parked around the back. Heavy security presence; helicopters hoovering above. I wonder if Kissinger will be there this year; Rockefeller, Brezinski, Simon Cowell perhaps; it will be the usual crowd doing their global elitist best eh. Do you think on top of their agenda will be how to save the Euro, that hope for a one world single currency? Greece is on its knees, Spain lost its triple AAA status last week with 20% unemployment. You wont hear about the annual Bilderberg meetings though will you, the agreed media lock-out is still in place after all the years this group have been meeting, thanks in most part to that funny hand shake that goes on within the different groups of commerce, political powers and the media barons.

APWIL THE FIRST? (#37 link)
Spoken language - Wossy? They are 'avin a laugh' - aka engaging in wibaldwy.

IMMATURITY THEORY (#39)

Because few, if any, of us reach maturity, and our Parliament is, manifestly, filled with driven, wannabe Juveniles (just look at the behaviour) I suspect Bilderberg is so far up itself, it has passed the Schwarzschild Radius. I am reminded of when 91热爆r joined the 'Stonecutters'.

We! are the problem - as Shakey said. Individually - hence collectively - we are getting dumber. Paradoxically (like the slow boiled frog) as we dumber we get less aware of our dumbness. What is more, any Cassandras just look barmy!

Simon Cowell for Bilderberg. Yay!

Don't accept more could not be done with regards gun ownership. There are issues that can happen in all our lives that can trigger tremendous stress - large debt for an individual is certainly one - just ask the CAB. It stands to reason that these triggers COULD be addressed in assessing those who wish to own guns. AND it should not be just a tick the box of such questions; checks have to be made with the Inland Revenue. Gun ownership is a very significant thing and a price of privacy would have to be given up.

#39 kevseywevsey

"I hear the Bilderbergs are meeting in Spain, just outside Barcelona. Usual venue"

"You wont hear about the annual Bilderberg meetings though will you, the agreed media lock-out "

So you got this information by enticing a member into your orgone energy accumulator?

Are they going to invite Nick Griffin "the king maker"?

#38 jauntycyclist

"both gm and carbon tax are two heads of the same monster."

One is big business trying to get a stranglehold on the markets and the other is people trying to protect themselves from the effects of climate change that do exist as science has shown via democratic government.

#39 - hyperinflation awaits us because naked short selling, naked CDS's and CDO will not be stopped. Govts use naked short selling to manipulate in favour of fiat currancy. Vince cant do anything, but someone can tell us what plans are in place.

#20 ecolizzy

"I've nothing against anyone from any country, I've said that a thousand times here. "

Yes but its when people say they don't like the racial mix in London and don't feel at home there that people make the leap that it is the racial aspect that drives them and not the immigration.

"Or are we to believe that the party that brought in neo-liberalism, that is still stuffed with monetarists, that wants to "cut" so deeply it will DESTROY the UK's civil society - that this Party has suddenly realised that a healthy economy is based upon small to medium companies, best organised as modern partnerships/cooperatives to give the shocking Wealth Gap?"

Everybody bar the BNP realise that there has to be cuts to handle the debt crisis and there is no obvious threat to the civil society by any of the democratic parties.

The BNP tend to try and scaremonger and propagate a pack of lies, usually on racial issues but sometimes social and economic, but as in Barking once the lies are exposed they drift back into the shadows and try to find a new crowd to dupe.

They themselves are so confused about what they are that they tend to confuse themselves more. Are they genuine Nationalists or National Socialists or "modern and progressive"?

So anyways you identify problems with the approach of left and right and don't suggest a party solution?

'HE IS NO BETTER - HE IS JUST THE SAME'

Just had the dismal experience of watching Alastair Campbell on Daily Politics.

Now that I have fitted an 'Acme Spin Neutraliser' to my TV, I saw this Blair Babe clearly. Campbell 'wisdom' emerged:
David Miliband is not 'Tony's Creature' and is Alcam's pick for PM.
Alcam says people thought him 'far to tribal' with regard to Tony. NO Mr CAMPBELL, WE SAW YOU AS HAVING A SCHOOLGIRL CRUSH ON TONY, hence your fury at Chilcot when asked if Blair tricked Parliament.

Oh 91热爆! This man is not a sage, he just has a book (or two) to sell. His lack of personal insight makes his opinions, regarding events IN WHICH HE PLAYED A MACHIAVELLIAN PART (with special reference to Dr Kelly's death) of little value.

PS He 'turned down a peerage'.

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other is people trying to protect themselves from the effects of climate change that do exist as science has shown via democratic government...

no its not. its people trying to become billionaires through the public's gullibility.
as for science the climate moves in 100k ice age cycles. those charts are within normal ranges and the '20 year trend' they kjeep banging on about doesn't even appear on it.

how does paying tax that is given mainly to china 'change climate'? delusional.

why does anyone want to keep a gun in the house? Why does anyone need a gun? What is it with these saddoes who live alone or with their Mums...they probably tore the wings off butterflies when they were kids..or are still doing it..they don't deserve pity..only ridicule