Wednesday, 25 February, 2009
Here's news of what's coming up in this evening's Newsnight:
From Political Editor Michael Crick:
"Being leader of the opposition is generally regarded as the hardest job in politics. Doing it with a young family all the harder, especially when one of your children is severely disabled. I'll be exploring how David Cameron was changed personally and politically by the experience of looking after ."
Also tonight: just how poorly were our banks regulated before the crash? Today we heard some from the head of the Financial Services Authority who painted a damning picture of the regulatory regime constructed by Gordon Brown. Adair Turner blamed "a philosophy rooted in political assumptions which suggested the key priority was to keep it light rather than to ask more questions,"
We've also got a full analysis of President Obama's last night, and an exclusive film on a controversial murder conviction and possible miscarriage of justice involving the forensic analysis of a piece of CCTV evidence.
Tonight at 10.30pm.
Comment number 1.
At 25th Feb 2009, doctormisswest wrote:Serious suggestion to the NN team - is this the right place to post it?
The Wolfson Centre in Mecklenburg Sq, opposite GOSH, was founded, in the grounds of Coram's Fields the old foundling hospital, in the 1960s to accommodate the work of a man for whom a Chair in Developmental Paediatrics was created.
The Centre offered multidisciplinary medical and paramedical treatment and research, and had residential facilities for parents to stay with their severely handicapped (to use the term from those times) children, and the opportunity to get advice on welfare/social services also.
When the founding Director retired in the late 1980s, the Centre, I believe, reverted to a non-multidisciplinary neurological centre.
I have googled for more information but found little, nevertheless a story is out there about the Centre's history and about the work of a visionary physician who is not widely known but whose work might interest many people.
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Comment number 2.
At 25th Feb 2009, lordBeddGelert wrote:Whatever you do, please don't go recycling that 'The Day Politics Stopped' line, when Lord Mandy of Hartlepool was pulling a fast one on privatising the Post Office, to try and pull the rug from under the protesters, while media attention was focused elsewhere. Shameless.
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Comment number 3.
At 25th Feb 2009, Steve_London wrote:My Personal Views -
Light Touch Regulation
It was far worse , here's a HM Treasury dated 2005 stating -
So in their own words , "Not just a light touch but a limited touch.".
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Comment number 4.
At 25th Feb 2009, barriesingleton wrote:THE UNACCEPTABLE FACE OF THE SOFT UNDERBELLY OF HISTORY.
Oh boy - Obama. NOW those poor Americans stand at the CROSSROADS OF HISTORY. They were just getting nicely into their stride, on the RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY (clearly delineated by buffoons standing about on the wrong side) when Moses Obama holds up his hand; they are at the CROSSROADS OF HISTORY. Now, it seems to me, if he turns left or right, he will only have a QUARTER OF HISTORY left for prancing on, so he had better go straight on - that will preserve HALF. What he will do if he comes to the END OF HISTORY is beyond my brand of silly thinking, but no doubt his speechwriters are more than up to the task.
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Comment number 5.
At 25th Feb 2009, thegangofone wrote:"MPs accused the FSA of "being responsible for supervising 10 big banks and allowing five to collapse"."
Meanwhile Tony Blair/Gordon Brown encouraged them NOT to be too aggressive in regulation?
The FSA or GB are to blame?
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Comment number 6.
At 25th Feb 2009, dennisjunior1 wrote:Sarah:
Re: Michael Crick's reportage about the death of Ivan Cameron, I would like to extend my prayers and condolences to the Cameron family....
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just how poorly were our banks regulated before the crash?
By the look of things, the banks were not regulated not the supervised....
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Regarding President Obama speech on Tuesday, it was revolving and interested....
~Dennis Junior~
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Comment number 7.
At 25th Feb 2009, dAllan169 wrote:Hartlypool Hung the wrang Chimp
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Comment number 8.
At 25th Feb 2009, thegangofone wrote:#3 Steve-London
Yes, people of the far right can read and so can the other 99.98% of the public who don't support your views.
Outstanding.
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Comment number 9.
At 25th Feb 2009, dAllan169 wrote:OOOO Barrie Yes Mate correct without a Doubt CORRECT.
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Comment number 10.
At 25th Feb 2009, JadedJean wrote:Steve-London (#3) Which means that all the hand-wringing by the Treasury Select Committee and all the pious assertions from Brown are, sadly, really just post-hoc theatrics for the public. What's sad is that they are guaging the public and expecting to get away with it too.
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Comment number 11.
At 25th Feb 2009, tawse57 wrote:Only those who have lost a child can understand what the Cameron family are going through at this time. My heart goes out to them.
The hospice pioneer Elisabeth Kubler-Ross, who first identified the 5 stages of grief, has written many wonderful books, if 'wonderful' is the correct word, on terminal illness, on dying and on dealing with grief.
I personally think several of her books should be required reading in schools and all of us can be helped by what she has written about life, living, death and grief.
Perhaps, at the appropriate time, one of the journalists or politicians who lurk here and who know David Cameron might suggest, or even give, recommend that he looks up her work.
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Comment number 12.
At 25th Feb 2009, barriesingleton wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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Comment number 13.
At 26th Feb 2009, Mistress76uk wrote:Michael C's tribute to Ivan Cameron, David Cameron's 6 year old son who lost his life in an extreme epileptic fit, was warm and heartfelt. My condolences to the entire Cameron family on their tragic loss.
Beautifully sensitive interview by Jeremy with Michael Gove on the tragic death of Ivan Cameron too, particularly where Jeremy asked whether we (the public) sometimes underestimate the impact of the importance of the personal on the political life.
Also and excellent interview by Jeremy with John McFall & Michael Fallon on the FSA and the so called "golden age" of banking.
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Comment number 14.
At 26th Feb 2009, leftieoddbod wrote:I may risk the wrath of the nation descending on me and I sympathise greatly with the tragedy that has fallen on David Cameron's family but was it really necessary to suspend the business of the house as this has created a precedent. The same suspension was never observed for John Smith or even a monarch. Three soldiers were killed in Helman province so could I suggest a similar procedure be observed for any subsequent loss of life to our military then maybe the three parties may think a bit before they take this country into any more adventurous campaigns...
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Comment number 15.
At 26th Feb 2009, JadedJean wrote:tawse57 (#11) "Only those who have lost a child can understand what the Cameron family are going through at this time."
Not true.
"The hospice pioneer Elisabeth Kubler-Ross"
She just promoted the idea.
The so called 'grief-cycle' is seen in many emotional reactions, not just loss.
Cameron asked for privacy. Too many people abuse these events to behave histrionically or just to emote at the expense of others.
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Comment number 16.
At 26th Feb 2009, JadedJean wrote:MERITOCRACY, MEDIA-OCRACY OR IDIOCRACY: TAX-PAYERS INSURING 325,000,000,000 UKP OF RBS TOXIC ASSETS
24,000,000,0000 UKP in losses, and an 650,000 UKP annual pension from 50 years of age on for Sir Fred Goodwin, the man who presided over it all.
This bank has to survive. Why? Perhaps because legally New Labour legitimated, if not encouraged, sub-prime lending as a tool for the redistribution of wealth or destruction of the economy.
The only reason why people couldn't own property was because their environment discriminated against them. But such is Natural Selection. Sadly, one doesn't change that by encouraging predatory lending, greed, Press Office media spin, and ultimately, idiocracy.
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Comment number 17.
At 26th Feb 2009, streetphotobeing wrote:@3 Steve-London Excellent ! think its worth copy and pasting some of that here :
"In the old regulatory model 鈥 which started in Victorian times 鈥 the implicit regulatory principle has been 100 per cent inspection of premises, procedures and practices irrespective of known risks or past results. The theory has been to inspect everyone continuously, demand information wholesale, and require forms to be filled in at all times, the only barrier to the blanket approach a lack of resources.
The new model we propose is quite different. In a risk based approach there is no inspection without justification, no form filling without justification, and no information requirements without justification. Not just a light touch but a limited touch. Instead of routine regulation attempting to cover all, we adopt a risk based approach which targets only the necessary few.
A risk based approach helps move us a million miles away from the old assumption - the assumption since the first legislation of Victorian times - that business, unregulated, will invariably act irresponsibly. The better view is that businesses want to act responsibly. Reputation with customers and investors is more important to behaviour than regulation, and transparency - backed up by the light touch - can be more effective than the heavy hand."
What a disgrace this lot who govern us are !
Source :
Sorry if the lay out is a bit gone wrong I just don't have time to type it all out.
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Comment number 18.
At 26th Feb 2009, Icious wrote:I have deep sympathy for the Cameron family, but there isn't a compnay in the country that would have said: OK so Gr8's just had a bereavement, so we are closing up shop today. It just wouldn't happen. and doesn't happen for the vast majority of the population, some people for example are expected to and i quote "Get over it". It's not that i don't believe cameron should have time off, because i believe he should have as much as is necessary for his own mental health.
But I also understand that Political parties elect deputies and as such, and in these times they are required to step in so why does the House of commons close up shop?
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Comment number 19.
At 26th Feb 2009, bookhimdano wrote:1.you mean there are people with bigger executive pensions than the bbc? outrageous. how dare they one up ;)
2. seriously -never in the field of human finance have so few destroyed so much for so many with so little blowback. why is it legal to be so financially reckless it destroys the economy?
3. never mind sorry a man of honour who designed and created the regulation framework would have resigned?
4. will Tony admit he was wrong? Looking back Tony looks the worst PM we have ever had? left it with unwinable wars and a financial regulation system that has wrecked the economy for a generation?
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Comment number 20.
At 26th Feb 2009, Steve_London wrote:My personal views -
#8
Are you a Labour stooge ?
I would suggest anyone looking from the position of the far-left would think anyone with non socialist views were far-right.
I agree with what Churchill said -
How right he was.
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Comment number 21.
At 26th Feb 2009, Steve_London wrote:My personal views -
#10
Jean
Agreed , just as Labour have been proclaiming in the media in the past few months , No Reward For Failure in the banks.
I say there should be No Reward For Failure in Government either.
They should call a general election sooner rather than later !
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Comment number 22.
At 26th Feb 2009, JadedJean wrote:Gr8vel (#18) "so why does the House of commons close up shop?"
Theatre plus a revealing insight into their collective sense of self-importance and entitlement relative to the rest of the population?
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Comment number 23.
At 26th Feb 2009, JadedJean wrote:Steve-London (#21) "I say there should be No Reward For Failure in Government either."
Or Whitehall.
Having watched failure being consistently rewarded over two decades I came to the conclusion long ago that the only rational explanation (leaving aside cockup as just too improbable) was that efforts were being made to sabotage the state, i.e to anarchistically deregulate in favour of privatisation and free-market internationalism. Brown is still talking about regulation of global banking.
This reminds me of what Stalin addressed in in the 1930s.
The question in the end is whether one just doesn't have the raw human capital to do the job(s), or whether people are being put in situ as spanners in the works.
It's always been a tough call.
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Comment number 24.
At 26th Feb 2009, streetphotobeing wrote:Nos 17 - the question marks in the first line of my blog were not put there by me and are not in the original ! Why did you do that moderators?
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Comment number 25.
At 26th Feb 2009, thegangofone wrote:#21 , Steve-London JadedJean
But the far right does not believe in democratic elections - so whats the point?
I always assume that the far right intends to get to a critical mass and then hope some "anarchist and Trotskite" burns down Parliament Reichstag style.
But to get to a critical mass you have to persuade people (and Newsnight viewers are not stupid) toyour views on race "realism", the Holocaust maybe not happening, eugenics, planned economies as per Hitler and Mussolini in the 1930's.
Unfortunately they have already sussed that 99% of scientists know genetic variation is greater within a race than between races and so there is no basis for race "realism" in science.
There are probably a few isolated hysterics out there but you suspect that their field of expertise is more likely to be "a bit of R&D" than genetics. The kind of people who can say simultaneously that science is on their side and of the scientists "they could be wrong".
>99.9% of the voting population reject your views and are not going to give up democracy because of a few anonymous rants on a Newsnight blog. Many of them "paint Hitler as darkly as possible for party political reasons.
Nobody loves you and you don't care - but they do!
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Comment number 26.
At 26th Feb 2009, thegangofone wrote:'A major crackdown on Mexican drug traffickers operating in the US has led to the arrest of 755 people, Attorney General Eric Holder has announced.'
That sounds like a huge success - is it?
Is the war on money laundering going to improve or be hindered by the financial turmoil?
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Comment number 27.
At 26th Feb 2009, thegangofone wrote:I am not sure this would be a Newnight item but Hitlers niece used to provide him with "liquid refreshments" from time to time.
Is this a common practice and is it one that the far right, such as the BNP, follow at their conferences in that field in Derbyshire (the only place they can hold conferences)?
The sheep must be very, very worried if so!
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Comment number 28.
At 26th Feb 2009, dAllan169 wrote:Post 20 Nail Hammer Head Hit On.
The VIRUS,Germ,Disease,parasite, That is T.B. and or GB tony blair gordon brown both try and FAIL 2 Be Fit enough 2 Lick Dear Winston's Boots. How I chuckle if it were not for the Death etc they have brung.
Post 21 + 22 JJ YES Please.
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Comment number 29.
At 26th Feb 2009, streetphotobeing wrote:@26 thegangofone
"Is the war on going to improve or be hindered by the financial turmoil?"
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Comment number 30.
At 26th Feb 2009, Steve_London wrote:My personal views -
#23
Jean
Interesting , make a mess , then bring order from the chaos , well as you link points out it has happen before.
Maybe this of a news interview fit's that idea ?
But at the moment I tend to favour the idea that there is a lot of incompetence and a lot of strange ideologies floating around currently.
But I reserve my right to change my mind in the future :)
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Comment number 31.
At 26th Feb 2009, JadedJean wrote:FREE-MARKET ANARCHISM/BALKANIZATION
Steve-London (#30) What I meant was that from the 80s onwards, the Civil Service/Public Sector was clobbered, first by Thatcher and then Blair - as that's what used to do the regulating. Putting us into the EU as statelets/Regional Assemblies/Development Agencies was/is the final straw as that renders the UK state truly impotent.
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Comment number 32.
At 27th Feb 2009, twarres wrote:Why can't I see wednesday's programme on iplayer?
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