Scant ten days since the Web at 20 launch event and we're already enjoying a fantastic response from people: sharing stories; guiding us towards areas of potential interest (more below); and giving .
As part of our process, we'll be presenting these round-ups of content from across the web, as much for the benefit of our production teams as for our users. These will be quick links from the stories and developments on the blog and on the wider web to synopsise Digital Revolution activity for the week, broken down by programme / thematic relevance.
The form may well evolve, but for now, here's the week's news and activity from the blog and beyond, broken down by topics as they relate to the themes (as they currently stand) in our four programmes.
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Programme 1 (power on the web)
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IDEA: The web may lead to new hierarchies and tribes - after all, that's just human - but that doesn't mean that it doesn't create new opportunities for those hierarchies and tribes to exploit.Ìý(via al_robertson - who also wrote an )
QUESTION: Are we looking for quirky, historical tales from the early days?Ìýe.g. The list of players in early web community conflicts and developments outlined by Trurl2009 - an interesting window into the history and characters of early forums such as , Ìýand (early malicious spam). Potentially interesting insights into early online community power struggles,Ìýtrolls, flamewars and spam, which seques to later use comments...
IDEA: Blogging's popularity stems from a fear of diversity and personal control. Their predecessors - online forums - were too open to challenging opinion, while blogs give (perhaps insular) control to an individual to create a mini-forum - intellectual, self-publishing comfort zones.
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IDEA: The web is not democratic - it's a brutal free market with no regulator;ÌýreferencingÌýÌý- feedback loops on the web mean that a tiny difference in popularity is amplified, which leads to , not (via TaiwanChallenges, who introduces a range of thought-provoking suggestions in their comment to follow up). Points also well made by .
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IDEA: Amateur blogs were crowded out by professional blogs that used viral marketing to become dominant
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Sounds interesting, but we need some examples of these smaller blogs suffering in this way. Are there bloggers reading this who have directly felt this 'squeezing out' by larger, blogging behemoths? Please contact us if so.
From our guest bloggers, we have a number of stories to consider regarding the present state of blogs and their possible futures:
STORY: Rory Cellan-Jones and Nick Robinson despair of the shouting match that the comments on their blogs descend into, and find it hard to engage with them.
STORY: Erik Hersmann describes how web platforms in Kenya enable citizen journalism and bloggers to depict and expose events happening on the ground that otherwise would not have been told through traditional media.
IDEA: From this can we consider that citizen journalism is more important in developing countries than in 'developed'? Is this because established media and communications infrastructures are less reliable in these countries?
Does this return to Bill Thompson's comment on the web's great achievement: that while its connectivity has not stopped people from wanting to kill each other, it has made it more difficult to get away with it.
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Programme 2 (the web and the nation state)
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Very inspiring story that resonates with Tim Berners-Lee's statement that the web should be a human right, like clean water. (Not really about the web though!) But similar inspirational stories that show how web access transformed people's lives would be fantastic.Ìý
Also - an interesting challenge - can the web really transform the world? A debate begun by SheffTim who wonderedÌýCould it help provide those one billion people with safe, clean drinking water and save the lives of millions of children?Ìý
To which, yours truly weighed in with some sanguine thoughts of the web's power to crowdsource solutions - though no ideas for it producing clean water...!
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Programme 3 (privacy and economics)
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IDEA: People may expose themselves to identity theft by blogging about their jobs, where they bank etc.
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Sounds plausible - are there any good examples of people who this has happened to?
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IDEA: e-Learning potential is limited by the fact that corporations extract data from people as they learnÌý
Interesting idea, but what's the evidence for this? We need examples and more information about this, that will support or refute the concerns expressed on the blog:
'The Internet, at its incarnation, was viewed as a revolutionising and liberating technology. In its current state, Internet-based ICT / eLearning is, I argue, a deeply disabling agent which violates students' rights of privacy, 'chills' students' free speech and severely limits students' free access to information. Is eLearning - in a mashup of Freire's famous phrase - the technology of the oppressed?' (excerpt from comment by winston84smith)
Programme 4 (the web is changing us)
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IDEA: The web is becoming more visual. That will make life easier for some - such as the hearing impared () or non-English speaking users of English-based sites - as it transcends written language barriers, but make accessibility harder for others:
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IDEA: The networked web2.0 human being is a different type of human being - different ways of interacting with the world lead to different ways of seeing the world
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Ref: Clay Shirky makes the point that
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IDEA: Our behaviour is driven by how easy something is to do. ThisÌýmeans Twitter over blogs;buying DVDs over BiTTorrent.
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I've given a briefing of the content of this post to the programme one team and I'll feed back further information and ideas from the director Philip Smith as it arrives, and follow up the themes and questions raised here (and beyond).
We'll also be uploading some pages to the siteÌýlater this week,Ìýto outline in a bit more detail, the themes of the four programmes listed in this post .
As ever, if there are topics raised here that you have stories or greater details of that would improve our data, research and the programme, please leave comments below.
Comment number 1.
At 20th Jul 2009, paulmorriss wrote:Regarding privacy - this detailed post describes how someone got access to a twitter employee's email and all that entailed:
"rmation like birth dates, names of pets and other seemingly innocent pieces of data were also found and logged."
Regarding privacy and economics - the way Amazon and Netflix guess what you might like based on what you've bought/rented is interesting.
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Comment number 2.
At 20th Jul 2009, Dan Biddle wrote:@paulmorriss Many thanks for the Twitter attack story - several tales of security attacks rolled into one. Excellent.
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Comment number 3.
At 22nd Jul 2009, SheffTim wrote:'Clay Shirky makes the point that time spent online replaces time spent watching TV'
Possibly many have also grown dissatisfied with TV as ennui sets in. It becomes harder to find the original, the stimulating and the good on TV that doesn't remind you of something else. (The same could be said of movies and music too.); particularly as one grows older.
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Comment number 4.
At 23rd Jul 2009, Dan Biddle wrote:Testing.
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Comment number 5.
At 23rd Jul 2009, vanboy74 wrote:programme 1 power on the web
what about consumer power? all the big brands and enterprises are dealing with this topic as a new challenge. I don´t think that everything has been said about that. It´s a fundamental change for producers but also retailers, etc.. Some have really started to listen to their customers online (e.g. Dell, Starbucks), some have terribly failed (in Germany right now Vodaphone). Some are embracing brand lovers content, some are more than resistant to let consumers participate. There are so many fascinating examples out there. (Examples in separate mail if you are interested.) I think consumers haven´t even realised how big their power potentially is today.
programme 2 the web and the nation state
Over here in Germany we can see a very odd development at the moment. On the one hand all the big parties have pimped up their webites trying to follow Obama´s big success on the web. So you´ve got communities, web TV and so on. On the other hand politicians tend to mention the internet only in connection with child pornography, violent computer games, gambling, cyberbullying, etc.. Especially the debate about a new, absolutely ineffective law concerning child pornography has evoked something like a war of generations. Programmers and other web educated people felt humiliated when some politicians called everybody who has the technical knowledge to overcome digital barriers "pedo-criminals".
So now we have got a huge gap between people who know the web and those who don´t. In addition to that politicians are deeply connected with traditional media who feel that their communicative dominance and economic status is suffering more and more.
programme 3 privacy and economics
At first I thought this was a strange combination. There is so much to say about web economics on its own. But okay, privacy and economics. I am working as head of human resources and have been asked very often whether I google applicants before inviting them. I don´t because I think it´s stupid. I want to see somebody unbiased when I first meet him or her. Much more important than party pictures on the web is that people stick to the NDA they have signed and do not blurb out business secrets on the web.
I am curious whether if in a few years people can still afford not to have a clear online identity, I guess employers will feel much more uncomfortable with someone who cannot be found in Google than with someone who documents every minute of his holidays in Spain.
Today coporations have a kind of privacy as well. Which often leads to confusing experiences when people start a new job. All they know is what they have read on the career page and what the recruiter told them. So they make up their own picture of what it´s like to be working for this company. Now they enter company and very often find something completely different. Corporate blogs and smilar things help a lot preventing new employees to feel disappointed or even deceived on their first day.
programme 4 the web is changing us
The web is changing our expectations fundamentally. We want to be able to get everything whenever we want it an wherever we are. Smartphones are speeding this up. More and more often I find myself feeling frustrated standing in front of an overview map in a department store. Using my laptop or the iphone I never have any difficulties finding what I want. So why can´t they find a way for me to quick and easily find what I want in this damned store?
Being always connected via twitter and facebook changes a lot. You never feel alone. There is always someone responding to you. If I have a problem I simply ask on twitter.
Are relationships becoming more superficial? Today I have a lot more "friends" - online friends. And still I have real friends. With most of them I nearly don´t communicate online at all. I know a lot of details about my online friends: What kind of tea they drink, what TV series they´re following, etc. I don´t know these things about my real friends. Because I know what is really going on in their lives I don´t need to know about all the small bits and pieces. And still I like this illusion of being close online. It makes us all more human even if we do not really know each other.
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Comment number 6.
At 24th Jul 2009, Dan Biddle wrote:@vanboy74 - what can I say? A superb response to each of our programme topics. Your thoughts regards privacy and personnel are very interesting:
'I am curious whether if in a few years people can still afford not to have a clear online identity, I guess employers will feel much more uncomfortable with someone who cannot be found in Google than with someone who documents every minute of his holidays in Spain.'
I have flagged your comment as required reading among the production team. If you have more examples of the consumer power that you can share with us, please do post them here or email (broken to avoid spambots) digital.revolution *at* bbc.co.uk.
Your thoughts are greatly appreciated.
Dan
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Comment number 7.
At 28th Jul 2009, al_robertson wrote:Hmm, power on the web consumer examples - Ben & Jerry's , , (written up in the Clay Shirky book)...
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Comment number 8.
At 31st Aug 2009, vanboy74 wrote:I promised to give some more examples, so I will.
I guess a good story might be Jeff Jarvis` [Personal details removed by Moderator]experience with Dell. He had a problem, started a blog and finally Dell had to change. And they fundamentally did. But this story has been told too often. I guess a lot of people know his book "What would Google do?"
Of course consumer power is not only consumers commenting on products on amazon. Consumer power is also enhanced by applications like compare everywhere
I like this video because it shows an application that helps consumers compare prices and in the meantime it shows what is happening on the web all the time: Consumers experiencing products and services (here an app) and sharing their experience online. Brands and enterprises start to listen to the consumer online and new business models evolve. Not only business models that work for big coporations but especially business models in niche markets e.g. [Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator] (mix your own muesli).
For the rest of the evening I am going to try to catch up on the discussion since week one... a lot of new impulse!
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