Green Day - '21 Guns'
Poor old Green Day, always pretty good, sometimes amazing, but never quite escaping the headmasterly tut of, well, anyone who's investigated rock music back far enough to spot where they seem to get their ideas from.
Want proof? Well, Noel Gallagher - the self-appointed curator of all things 'proper' and 'right' - hates them, by all accounts. He's wrong about that. He's wrong about a lot of things, but his voice comes back to haunt whenever the song doesn't quite eclipse the other songs it's partly made from.
(. Most explosive Motel ever.)
That said, I don't want to HAVE to play Spot The Reference again, partly cos it's clearly a controversial way to appreciate music. Also, it can be a bit like looking at a painting and tutting "Oh, you WOULD use blue, woundn't you? That's SO unispired", or worse, taking it apart, shade by shade, as if making a paint-by-numbers ticksheet.
Some songs are kind of asking for it though. So, let's just get this out of the way and move on. While listening to the verses to this song, I found myself thinking about the following tunes:
'Crying In The Rain' by the Everly Brothers
'Prove Yourself' by Radiohead
'Heart Of Gold' by Neil Young
and while listening to the chorus, I found myself thinking about:
'Sowing The Seeds Of Love' by Tears For Fears
something by My Chemical Romance
That's just me though. You may have your own ticksheet, and by all means publish your findings in the comments list below.
In the meantime, can we just have another round of applause for the wonderful voice of Billie Joe Armstrong? It doesn't seem to matter if he's belting out some rock opus or glassily crooning a tender ballad like (some of) this, The man has vocal authority. The man can SIIIING.
In fact, he damn near sells the song on his own. Imagine what he could do with something a bit fresher?
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PS: Green Day have '21 Guns', the Alarm had '68 Guns'. Therefore the Alarm win.
"'21 Guns' is one of the stand out tracks on this new disc both lyrically and musically"
"Although it's definitely far from being my favorite Green Day album (because it's pretty much American Idiot part two), this track stood out while listening to the album my first time through"
Comment number 1.
At 7th Jul 2009, -RachelS- wrote:Talking of references, the drummer is clearly a barely disguised copy of Ricky Gervais...
I like the song, but definitely recognise 'Heart Of Gold' as soon as it starts!
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Comment number 2.
At 8th Jul 2009, spirit wrote:Hey Fraser , been waiting for you to review this song, I was gonna be quite cutting but after about 10 plays it has grown on me.
On the negative side , in my mind , Know your enemy was in the shadow of American idiot , and 21 Guns is in the shadow of Boulevard of broken dreams , and/or Wake me up when September ends.
Just to add to your list of songs this sounds like, the first time I heard 21 Guns , I thought the main chorus hook, was a rip-off of All the young dudes by Mott the Hoople , written by David Bowie. (Ask Thranjax )
This sounded like Green Day by numbers and has not progressed their sound.
On the positive side , the more I hear this song , the more I like it , and it is brimming with hooks , and I find myself singing along to it every time ! It flows really nicely, and Billie's voice sounds fantastic . This song will go down really well when I see them live in October. It will be acrowd pleaser.
I just wish this band really push themselves and move the excitement and adventure button up to 11 for their next album.
I hope there are even better things to come.
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At 9th Jul 2009, U14064208 wrote:uuuummmmm???
Noel Gallagher's wrong about a lot of things? Not to be rude (but i will be anyway) but the guy has had how much success as a musician? What epic tracks have you recorded?
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Comment number 4.
At 9th Jul 2009, Fraser McAlpine - wrote:Five. The rest are more uptempo, y'know?
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Comment number 5.
At 9th Jul 2009, Fraser McAlpine - wrote:That's the number of tracks, you understand, not the name of the song. Although maybe I'll do a sixth one, called 'Five', just for the hell of it.
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At 9th Jul 2009, thranjax wrote:Well if you called it Six I would get it confused with Mansun's second album, so better be careful there with your epicness, your fraserness.
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Comment number 7.
At 9th Jul 2009, spirit wrote:OK , two new singles that are set to polarize opinion.
Preston - Dressed to kill.... Using The Siouxsie and the Banshees sample of Happy house to an effective degree ! He looks great in the video and this will give him his first solo top 40 hit. Check it out on You tube.
Peter Andre - Behind closed doors.
Now the best advice that I would have given Peter , is for gods sake when you come back , make sure that no one will think it's a Peter Andre single ! (He is aware of the stigma that some of his previous releases still carry ! )
Well I liked Behind closed doors on first listen , it's got rocky guitars , a standout chorus and the lyrics will be fascinating to analyse.
It will be available as a download only single on August 10th , and should be a hit.
No video as yet , but in the forthcoming promo Pete is married to a robot !!! LOL
Go Team ANDRE !!!
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Comment number 8.
At 9th Jul 2009, thranjax wrote:21 Guns starts off with a bit of odd guitar atmospherics which reminds me of Another Green World as it happens. I don't however think the minimalist era Eno would approve of what happens next.
The verse is certainly reminiscent of Heart of Gold. And the way the bass and drums come in after the first stanza is so... obvious it makes you shake your head in disbelief.
The chorus sounds like a lot of things without being anything other than "generic rock chorus". I can hear Tears for Fears in their and David Bowie, all screaming to be let out. The guitar solo reminds me of something at the back of my mind as well.
Basically this isn't a bad song as such, I just don't see the point of compiling all these moments for us into one song.
Thranjax
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Comment number 9.
At 9th Jul 2009, thranjax wrote:there, not "their"
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At 10th Jul 2009, thranjax wrote:Also Mr Fraser, i already made the point about the Alarm beating Green Day in numbers of guns. See Alexander Rybak no.235!
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At 10th Jul 2009, Fraser McAlpine - wrote:Oh yes! So you did. Well done, you got there first!
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Comment number 12.
At 10th Jul 2009, U14064208 wrote:ok, put your money where your mouth is then. where can i hear your music fraser?
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Comment number 13.
At 10th Jul 2009, Fraser McAlpine - wrote:In my house. OBVIOUSLY.
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Comment number 14.
At 20th Jul 2009, U14064208 wrote:Couldn't get a record contract? Easy to slate the more talented isn't it?
(That was rhetorical)
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Comment number 15.
At 20th Jul 2009, Fraser McAlpine - wrote:How do you get a rhetorical record contract?
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Comment number 16.
At 20th Jul 2009, thranjax wrote:I can't help feeling that a Rhetorical Record Contract would be trying to persuade you to have it, rather than the other way round. Anyway, maybe Cicero had one.
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At 20th Jul 2009, Fraser McAlpine - wrote:Maybe rhetorical records are the ones which people only like in concept form.
Like the Beatles' 21st original studio album 'Swan-Dive', a concept album about an olympic athlete who turns into a swan when he bangs his head on the board.
Or Led Zep Five, featuring the hit song 'Stare Away To Devon'
Or indeed any of my own fictional records. In which case, I already have a rhetorical record contract and I didn't even KNOW...
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Comment number 18.
At 20th Jul 2009, thranjax wrote:Several, probably. A Rhetorical Question doesn't need answering, so I guess a Rhetorical Record doesn't need listening to.
e.g. U2's next album "Big Guitar Lines and Concern for the Planet", Radiohead's "Not Very Happy Today", Muse's "Even Buying this Record is buying into the Global Conspiracy" or Celine Dion's "Turgid Bucketslop".
btw I spent literally minutes trying to think of the name of a famous rhetorician which was also the name of a pop artist and Cicero is the only one I could come up with.
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Comment number 19.
At 20th Jul 2009, Fraser McAlpine - wrote:Sorry, I meant to do this when I saw that..
*applauds*
Also - that whole paragraph that begins "e.g."...AMAZING.
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At 20th Jul 2009, spirit wrote:Ha ha !
And did you know that Cicero 's first name was.....
DAVE !
Yes, his name is Dave Cicero !
It ruined the illusion for me .
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Comment number 21.
At 20th Jul 2009, spirit wrote:I think the most obvious unrhetorically named album , would be....
Eoghan Quigg - Greatest Hits !
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At 20th Jul 2009, thranjax wrote:I assume you mean the pop singer Cicero was called Dave...
I find it hard to imagine the Greek Scholar Dave Cicero holding forth in the forum with his mates Kevin Plato and Steve Socrates.
"So Kev, what you're saying is the universe is basically imaginary right?"
"Maybe, I dunno, your round isn't it? Dave, Dave, stop chatting that barista up. Fancy another?"
"Sure I'll have a rhetorical double with a dash of doubt and laced with incomprehension".
"Ice?"
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Comment number 23.
At 20th Jul 2009, Fraser McAlpine - wrote:Whoah! Vanilla Ice was around in ancient Greek times? That is amazing...
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At 20th Jul 2009, thranjax wrote:Several rhetorical drinks later..
"So we are agreed, the world indeed is a sphere which revolves around the sun... propelled by a.. a DJ... which is a ...what is it again?"
"It's on a hook... something to do with a whale? I can't remember.. It was all so clear before.. maybe Aristotle wasn't too drunk..."
"Aristotle! Mr. Hammer! Get over here! It's time!".
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Comment number 25.
At 20th Jul 2009, Fraser McAlpine - wrote:"And tell Bob Mozart to bring his banjo!"
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At 20th Jul 2009, spirit wrote:Ha ha Jax , of course the singer Dave Cicero , we ARE on a chart blog after all... lol
I am just gonna go out and sign Alan Aristotle on a three- album deal record contract.
Have you seen the way this man has with lyrics ?
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Comment number 27.
At 20th Jul 2009, CurtainJerker wrote:Sorry dudes, but we're mixing up our classical reference points here. Cicero was an Roman orator, not a Greek philosopher.
Not that the whole scenario was grounded in gritty realism in the first place, I know. But still. At the very least they would drink in different pubs.
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Comment number 28.
At 20th Jul 2009, thranjax wrote:Thank you Mr. Schama we will endeavour to be historically accurate from now on...
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At 20th Jul 2009, thranjax wrote:So after Bob Mozart comes over with his banjo, Neil Armstrong and Red Adair pull up in a motorcycle with sidecar. "Come quick, there's Injuns over the next ridge and Boney M are approaching in a hot air balloon with funk bombs!"
All recorded in Gibbons I think you will find.
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Comment number 30.
At 20th Jul 2009, thranjax wrote:Or by Gibbons, possibly.
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Comment number 31.
At 20th Jul 2009, thranjax wrote:I do like your idea of them drinking in different pubs Curtain, and then the Roman and Greek philosophers having a scrap at closing time.
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Comment number 32.
At 22nd Jul 2009, spirit wrote:This is all Greek to me ! lol
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