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According to Lord Coe Tottenham's bid is like building 100 primary schools then bulldozing them. The trouble is, West Ham's could be like building 100 primary schools then getting the taxpayer to keep paying for the caretakers and teachers to turn up whilst only allowing the kids in for twenty days a year. Perhaps Lord Coe and the team should have visited the Stade de France first and built a decent multi use stadium but since they didn't there's no option but to go with financial sense. Athletics is great but who wants want to walk to a competition through piles of rubbish and pot holed streets because the Council has spent all the money!

Tottenham's plans are clearly insane. And, as you say, why should West Ham profit from this public investment? The stadium should be preserved as an athletics stadium and could also be used as a music and event venue.

If people disagree with the future of the stadium, I suggest they simply stay away from the Olympics. Nothing would shame the organisers more than a half-empty stadium for the men's 100 m final. A petition outlining that intent could well exert some pressure now.

The stadium is not on Leyton Orient's 'manor' as you put it. The stadium is IN West Ham, not near it, close-by, or adjacent-to, but IN. The parliamentary constituency is called West Ham, and it is in that part of the Borough of Newham that was previously known as West Ham, in fact, West Ham town hall is a couple of hundred yards away. Given these facts, I'd say it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with LEYTON Orient, and it is most certainly not their 'manor'.

A quote from wikipedia about Wembley.... 'A "platform system" has been designed to convert the stadium for athletics use, but its use would decrease the stadium's capacity to approximately 60,000. No athletics events have taken place at the stadium, and none are scheduled'.

Why haven't any athletics events ever been held at our national arena? Why is Crystal Palace run down? Why haven't UK Athletics put in a bid for the Olympic Stadium themselves?

Do the people of Newham, West Ham FC and London want to subsidise another athletics venue? What will stop this one from being different? If the primary use is going to be football, then why comprimise?

What are discounted West Ham tickets going to do for Orient? West Ham can't fill 60k with their current fanbase, they will have to move in on other teams. At least the same cannot be said for Spurs.

chieftain1998 - Maybe you should have down your research before commenting?

Brisbane Road is nearer to the Olympic Stadium then West Ham are to it.

The view that this has 'nothing' to do with Leyton Orient could not be further away from the truth. Spurs or West Ham moving into the Olympic Stadium threatens the history of London's second oldest football club, a club that does so much for the community and this is something that us 'real' fans do not deserve.

*done

Chieftan, you may try to justify this move in West Ham's favour as much as you like, and bring up as many spurious arguments in the process, but we're not talking about moving the boundary of a parliamentary constituency, nor are we talking about the re-siting of a Town Hall. This is about the potential relocation of a football club from its traditional home, and its effect on another club's traditional home.

The fact is that, if you check on Multimap/Bing, you will see that if you take Henniker Road in Stratford to be a refernce point of the new stadium, it's 1.2 miles from Brisbane Road, the traditional home of Leyton Orient since 1937, and 2.8 miles from outside the main entrance at West Ham FC. That, to me, makes it 'Leyton Orient's manor' in pure footballing terms.

Oh yes, and just for sheer irony, as it was Karren Brady who first came out with this "our manor" stuff when referring to Tottenham's bid, the main road immediately bordering THE eastern side of the Olympics site is called .....

LEYTON MANOR ROAD. :-)

++I've asked for interviews with Brady and with Levy and their spindoctors clearly think it's not important to speak directly to London.++
...so says Adrian Warner and neither have they, he or 91Èȱ¬ Sports
Editor David Bond, yet mentioned how their plans infringe the Rules of the Premier and Football Leagues.

Any Premier or Football League team needs the permission of those Organisations to move and their rules prohibit permission being given, if another member football team is disadvantaged.

Leyton Orient believe they will be disadvantaged.

I have read no comments from any journalist, politician, Olympics bid Official, Football Authority spokes person about how this circle might be squared.

Hopefully Adrian Warner will comment now and ask questions about it on every occasion.

What is astounding is that these rules have been ignored thus far, they should have been considered at the design stage when there was first discussion about a football team moving in eventually. It certainly should have been explained by Spurs and Hammers in the PR process about their bids and hopefully in their submissions, of which I am ignorant.

The Premier League Chief Exec complains it is Barry Hearn's fault this has not been considered because he has not complained enough about West Ham, see today's Daily Mail website.

Lets have some questions about this stuff and some comments here, please.

Would the bid team care to explain how the legacy is going to be paid for,if not by football. Don Valley Crystal Palace Sheffield Gateshead,this country already has plenty of athletic stadia. The brutal truth is UK Athletics cant afford it ,but would like taxpayers to treat them. Legacy is a worthy sentiment ,that everyone supports .....just not financially

Chaps, if the stadium is IN West Ham, it can't by definition be closer to LEYTON Orient. If we're talking about where the stadium is, which we are, then we need to accept where it is, and it is in West Ham. That fact may be inconvenient for Hearn et al, but nonetheless, it remains a fact.

I see how the logic of the pro-Leyton, anti-West ham voices here. West Ham should have the league's and Leyton's permission to play in West Ham. They should also be treated the same in this matter as Tottenham who also want to play in West Ham. So the people of West Ham and their elected representatives, who strangely enough support West Ham playing in West Ham, should have no say in the matter.

That logic is absurd. It's akin to saying Wales shouldn't play in Cardiff because it's close to the border with England.

If the reports are to be believed , The Premier League should look at the bids by Tottenham & West Ham and clarify if Leyton Orient have a case or if their own rules have been broken.
If the stadium is going to be used for football, i believe it should be used by clubs that are local to the site.
Tottenham have the option to build a new stadium across the road from White Hart Lane with a similar capacity to the olympic stadium. West Ham would be the easier option, but dare i say it, Why not groundshare with Leyton Orient?

Chieftan1988 - Every home match as I drive to Brisbane Road I pass the Olympic Stadium and glancing to my left I can see orient's ground. I would need x-ray vision binoculars to see the Boleyn. My husband's family have always lived a few streets from the ground and he has never been accused of being from West Ham. The two stadia are so close Rob Green could probably kick a ball from one to the other. Reshuffling the MPs in parliament did not and never will make Leyton be in West Ham. And for the record I am neither anti West ham not anti Tottenham - I am pro ORIENT. May I respectfully askd do you actually know the area or have you simply googled the postcode or something? If its the former - you clearly have an agenda and if it's the latter - educate yourself.

west ham dont even play in their own manor so bullying the O's about manors is laughable.
of course they will be changing their name if they move. come on stratford united

The Olympic Stadium is in the old borough of West Ham which is now Newham.

So if West Ham United moved there they would still be in their home borough.




Leyton Orient is in the borough of Waltham Forest.

What chieftan1998 says is correct, and I *do* know the area, having gone to school in Walthamstow and Leytonstone and now living in Forest Gate.
Stratford has been part of West Ham always, whether it was the ancient parish of West Ham, the Municipal Borough or the County Borough, before the creation of Newham in 1965.
Leyton however, has not ever been a part of West Ham or Newham, it was a Municipal Borough in 1926.
Leyton Orient moved to Brisbane Road in 1937, from Clapton which is in Hackney.
Yes, Leyton Orient's current location might be very slightly closer to the Olympic Stadium than West Ham's, but they have no historic links to Stratford.

NorfolkBadger - Henniker Road is nowhere near the site of the stadium. You'd be better using Gibbins Road or Wharton Road. From the Boleyn to the end of Wharton Road, it's 2.7 miles. From Orient's ground, it's 2.1 miles, a much smaller difference in distance than your example.

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