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Not too bad a guess on the back of the not-taxed-any-extra fag packet yesterday from the looks of things but far too early to tell by how much exactly the Welsh Assembly Government will be hit. When we come up with guesstimates, then I'll update, as long as you take me at my word that until the Autumn and the Comprehensive Spending Review, rough - but looking at my colleagues - educated guesswork is pretty much all we can offer.

Labour's Peter Hain looked at the Chancellor's budget and saw less tough love, than brutality for the sake of it: "These brutal cuts are ideological not economic, the new ConDem Government is not cutting savagely because it needs to, it is cutting savagely because it wants to."

Plaid Cymru's Elfyn Llwyd standing, as ever, alongside the SNP's Angus Robertson on the busy green outside the Houses of Parliament saw "some very good stuff in there - some good bits" but what he clearly regarded as some very bad stuff around social welfare.

Nothing, yet, from the Wales Office - and what about Roger Williams, the Welsh Liberal Democrat a "very regressive tax that falls most heavily on the poorest in society". What did he make of this budget and the very rise he saw coming?

He and the party are, we're told, still working on their line. It will be one they'll have to walk very carefully.

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