In an interview I've done with David Cameron he fiercely denies claims that he's been "too weak" to take on Lord Ashcroft, the Conservative Party's multi-million pound donor who revealed recently that he's not been paying full taxes in the UK.
The Tory leader told me that "the party is not in his (Ashcroft's) debt one piece" and insists that he's sorted out the Tory Party's finances.
He's referring, I'm told, to the paying back of a loan of £3.5m from Lord Ashcroft to the Conservative Party in March 2007. He claims that after "dealing with the debts of the Conservative Party. I look forward to rolling up my sleeves and dealing with the debts of the country."
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In his interview Mr Cameron claims credit for the fact that Lord Ashcroft answered questions last week about his non-dom tax status and the undertakings he gave when he was given a peerage ten years ago saying "it was done by me - right?".
I asked the Conservative leader several times whether Ashcroft might "get a job in your government?"
His replies surprised me. "I'm not naming governments or administrations", he said before adding, "If you ask Michael Ashcroft I think you'll find his interest has been in being involved in the Conservative Party, involved in politics - that's what he's been interested in rather than anything else".
Tonight a spokesman for David Cameron tried to clarify matters a little saying that "Michael Ashcroft has said that he is standing down as deputy chairman of the Conservative Party after the election to concentrate on his media and business interests. Under the ministerial code this would exclude him from holding a government post"
For those more interested in the arguments about policy than personalities, David Cameron also told me he wants "to build a new model for our economy.... where we start designing things, making things, selling things."
He was responding to into how to make the UK the leading high-tech exporter in Europe.
Cameron says that he will accept the majority of the Dyson report's recommendations which include paying off the student loans of science, maths and technology teachers and paying them more; backing high-speed rail, nuclear power and offshore wind power to demonstrate the country's ambition and re-focusing the tax breaks offered to companies to promote research and development.
The Tories have, in the past, promised to cut business tax breaks to pay for cuts in corporation tax. Dyson recommends keeping the so-called R&D tax credit but re-focusing it on high-tech companies, small businesses and new start-ups - a proposal which the Tories say they will accept. They will not spell out which other tax reliefs they would scrap to pay for their business tax cut.
TRANSCRIPT OF EXCHANGES ABOUT LORD ASHCROFT:
NR: If you become PM, will Michael Ashcroft get a job in your government?
DC: I haven't made decisions about jobs in my government for everybody - you'll not be surprised to know. What I would say is that anyone in my government would be - in the House of Commons or Lords - would be treated as a full UK taxpayer. That, you can be absolutely sure of. I was the first to move on that and the government have now taken up my suggestion.
NR: But if Michael Ashcroft pays taxes, there's no reason he shouldn't be a minister in your government?
DC: I'm not naming governments or administrations. Michael Ashcroft has taken part in building up the Conservative Party -.that's where his interests, I think, have lain.
NR: What persuaded you that this billionaire donor should be allowed to hide whether he paid taxes in Britain when other people have to be open?
DC: What Michael Ashcroft has done over the last few weeks is answer the questions that people have had. People have learnt three important things - firstly that the donations that he made are entirely legitimate and legal; secondly the undertakings that he gave at the time he became a peer and thirdly his tax status. I would put it to you that it's now time for the 91Èȱ¬ to go after the Labour Party and ask questions about their donors and where they pay tax. We have answered those questions some time before the general election and I'm very pleased we've done so.
NR: You said in 2006 that we should "clean up politics by ending the suspicion that money buys honours or influence". Unless you say that Michael Ashcroft won't have a job, do you not think that people will think "he's bought it"?
DC: No, no, no, I don't accept that at all. What people have seen from me over the past week is answers to the questions that needed answering: where does this man pay tax, what undertakings did he give and are his donations entirely legal? If you ask Michael Ashcroft, I think you'll find his interest has been in being involved in the Conservative Party, involved in politics - that's what he's been interested in rather than anything else.
NR: Finally, to those who say it shows that you were too weak to take on a very rich man?
DC: I don't accept that at all. The fact is some time before the election he has answered the questions about where he pays his tax - what his tax status is; he's answered the question about donations - that have been thoroughly been through and gone through - and he's answered the questions about undertakings given at the time of his peerage... I would just make this point... I would just make this point.
NR: The point is about you. I was asking about you.
DC: It has been done. It has been done before the election. And it was done by me - right? Let's get that straight. Let's get something else straight. When I became leader of the Conservative Party it was in debt to the tune of 20 million. That is now in single figures.
I have sorted out the debts of the Conservative Party. I have sorted out the funding of the Conservative Party. I have made it less reliant on a few wealthy people. I've broadened its base. I've paid off loans including a very large loan to Michael Ashcroft so the party is not in his debt one piece. That is what I've done - dealing with the debts of the Conservative Party. I look forward to rolling up my sleeves and dealing with the debts of the country.